Biden - We are out by 11/SEP/2021

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Will out by 11/SEP/2021 happen?

    Not up on history so can someone give a Reader's Digest version

    How long have the groups in Afghanistan been fighting before America became involved?

    Was there a estimate of how long America expected to be in Afghanistan?

    I'm surprised America did think of my brilliant idea of how to wipe out the Taliban without being involved

    Launch an attack on a Chinese target important enough to warrant a response

    Leave enough clues Taliban did it

    Chinese go to Afghanistan. No pussy footing around. Taliban gone

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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i think it is hard to tell exactly
    the area has had amrys marchng over it for centurys
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I sort of guessed that

    But of course America will sort it out

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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    3 different arguments

    1 colonialism
    2 drug war
    3 terrorism war

    regardless of 1 & 3
    #2 will continue because it is their primary income

    culturally you have the tali ban growing drugs to use as a religiously validated insult to alah as a weapon against their religious enemy
    so they say its ok to grow popys and make heroin and sell it to christian infidels etc

    etc etc
    the dog biting its own tail running in circles barking
    the cycle of power and control is self validating/perpetuating

    interesting looking at 1 headline
    how it was worded
    "America lost the war"

    lol if america used the same morality as the taliban the war would be over decades ago
    the irony of modern civilized morality is the debate inside the usa in what type of war they engage in

    part of the real story that is being kept out of the headlines by those who have a dollar t turn and a power position to exploit
    is the reality that America cant control its own borders

    so the opium & heroine keeps flowing in over their borders
    but as long as it keeps coming in, they can validate their military presence in Afghanistan

    how long is time ?
    it has always been fought over as soon as any army becomes big enough to move long distances
    much like africa so its now destabalised into a state of perpetual civil war as a normal culture
    where only overt collective power of a unified military presence can protect peaceful existence and systems.
    but no one wants a single leadership that is civilized and secular
    its all based around fascist ideological religious cults.

    giving self autonomy through supporting a leader who obliges all sides into discourse
    they define that lack of blood lust to be a sign of weakness in many cultures

    probably considerable rare earths in Afghanistan

    what does a agrarian peasant farmer do with a pile of foreign currency in the middle of no where ?
    without any of the behaviors being defined as overt or covert imperialism ?

    the answer to the problem is sold as the problem needing an answer
    an answer that must be delivered before the other questions are asked

    should the world just wall off Afghanistan and ignore its presence and leave them to what they want ?
    to be ignored ?
    who is "they"

    if they do, it will be for money
    nothing less
    and it will be to make things to sell to the west
    so its china going to them
    to get resources
    to make things
    to sell to the world
    so its the world outsourcing going to them with china

    china tend to give them things in exchange as opposed to the usa who offer to create political systems
    china gives them assets like buildings and cash
    usa gives them senate committees & a new class system for their old class system
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So the American public are (largely) funding the war by the Taliban themselves AND killing themselves in the process

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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    not sure how real this data is
    but they make clear statements


    https://www.rand.org/news/press/2019/08/20.html
    Researchers estimate that from 2006 to 2016, the total amount of money spent by Americans on these four drugs fluctuated between $120 billion and $145 billion each year. By contrast, a different analysis finds that spending on alcohol in the U.S. was estimated to be $158 billion in 2017.
    Total spending on cannabis, from both illegal and state-licensed sources, increased by approximately 50 percent from 2006 to 2016, from $34 billion to $52 billion. The market for cannabis is roughly the size of the cocaine and methamphetamine markets combined, and the size of the retail heroin market is now closer to the size of the marijuana market than it is to the other drugs, according to the analysis.

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    *this is closest to any real data that i would value
    which leaves a big gap in the data
    i guess that is because the war in Afghanistan is such a dividing point for american voters and money making industry's
    not to mention the obvious internal issues of institutionalized racism driving poverty and police


    * https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/03/07/how-much-do-americans-really-spend-drugs-each-year
    *According to this new study, drug users in the United States spent approximately $100 billion annually over the past decade on illicit drugs. This study updates several previous reports (beginning in 1995) which estimated drug trends back to 1988.

    Notably, from 2000 to 2010, the amount people spent on cocaine dropped by half from $55 billion to $28 billion, reflecting dramatic decreases in the availability of cocaine after 2006: from approximately 300 pure metric tons in 2000 to about 150 pure metric tons in 2010.

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    so its a bit of a guess
    im guessing possibly around 2 billion retail per year on heroine
    you need to divide that by around 8 to 10 to get the price paid over seas

    im guessing

    so that's 200 million per year new money into Afghanistan for opium production sold to the usa

    that's a lot of money
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Drugie to dealer - You swear this is from Mexico and not from Taliban in Afghanistan?

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  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    if they spent half equal money on free rehab they would have an end in sight by now
     
  12. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    <----antiwar libertarian socialist
    (ignore the statue---it is just a statue)
    End all regime change wars
    legalize all drugs
    provide government funded medical care to all who want and/or need it.

    Will Biden keep his word?
    (interesting that he chose 9/11 as the termination)
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    SAR'S CoV-2
    566,000 dead AND climbing
    makes 9/11 look like a childrens picnic at roughly 3000

    1.9 trillion dollar bail out and that's just to keep the economy from collapsing
    the real cost is probably around 5 trillion & climbing

    what a legacy to hand over to Joe
    the vote was still Roughly 50/50 not a huge swing as some type of sudden moral salvation request by the American people
    more of a meandering look at a different flavor of pandemic

    so its a civil issue more than a leadership issue

    its a marathon requiring sprinting all the way

    need all those troops & money back home now that technology has moved forward
    i just hope they can re train their soldiers and offer them some proper support
    they have such a terrible disregard for returned service personal & their injured service personal
    its all speeches & flag waiving & trying to stand in front of the camera & kiss babys and they all run off when the medical bill arrives & claim it to be a difficult complicated problem that everyone is divided on.
    horse shit !
     
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  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    hopefully Joe can sort it out
    i do like quite a few Americans
     
  15. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    <---antiwar vet
    It has been said that congress treats soldiers like tissue paper----------"Use them once, then throw them away".
     
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  16. candy Valued Senior Member

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    I fear the exit from Afghanistan will result in the same chaos the exit from VietNam did.
     
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  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    completely different animal
    i think the military have become a lot more selective after the cluster fuck of the iraq withdrawal and the massive and continuing veteran suicides gulf war syndrome & PTSD in teenage boys who knew nothing signed up and were effectively psychologically damaged for life by being thrown into something they were never prepared for.

    Afghanistan returnees will be valued for skills and in field experience which will be sought after to use as trainers
    assuming they are not psychologically damaged, as such events do to people.

    look at your typical american suburbanite
    they have a car accident and then claim emotional damage and that they cant hold down a job for the rest of their life suing everyone they can.

    compare that to sustained in field stress for a few months.
    the human mind can only take soo much
    and some people just have limits and breaking points that no one can locate until after they reach it.

    you have to realize that american society is a militarist society

    the national guard, the never ending list of government agencies with uniforms and guns and fascist power and no moral social accountability...
    the constant waiving of flags and symbolic empty virtue signals to military symbolism

    the thing that throws people is the corporatism militarism
    corporates wearing suits playing sociopath games of tea partys for media and family advertising
    yet the structure and internal culture and management is all militaristic

    but they(the indoctrinated child of the quasi militaristic morality symbolism) are a weak civil bi-polar teenager type of mentality
    which is one big reason why they are obsessed with guns & fascism sex & money
    its one big power trip after the other precariously seated on the top of a massively unstable fragile ego
    thus in walks the (adult)narcissists ...

    do professional military personal suffer from weak child-like fragile egos ?
    mostly not

    who is the national guard made up of ?

    Vietnam took 18 year old boys off farms with no mental discipline or training or experience
    and turned them into serial killers
    then undermined their ego publicly as a political vehicle then unleashed them back on USA civil society

    where there is no health care for them and no mental health care for them

    ethereal euphemistic perceptions which make you feel like your gaining a good perspective on something
    may not always be accurate
    as in this case
    different animals
    like a wolf & a tiger
    they both eat meat but would you treat them the same ?
    which one will you let come & live inside your home and play with your children ?
     
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  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    can the usa hold the world to ransom with its usa dollar ?

    thats a whole different debate about bailing out the psychopaths who are wroughting the system
    everyone is soaking in the same bath water when it comes to international electronic funds
     

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