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Photizo · Jul 21, 2015

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sideshowbob · Jul 21, 2015

Is there a legitimate source for this claim?

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rpenner · Jul 21, 2015

No -- it's edited video designed to pander to loonies rather than be evidence.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/15/who-made-the-planned-parenthood-video.html

Daleiden lists himself as the founder of the California-based Center for Medical Progress (CMP). He is also the man behind the camera in yesterday’s Planned Parenthood sting video, which purportedly showed a Planned Parenthood doctor discussing the sale of fetal body parts until the full video revealed that it was, in fact, a discussion of legal forms of fetal tissue donation.
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Daleiden has supposedly been operating the Center for Medical Progress since 2013, where he has been conducting a “30-month-long investigative journalism study” into an activity that has already been confirmed to be legal.
As part of the sting operation, Daleiden also created a fake limited liability corporation (LLC) called Biomax Procurement Services in California, first filing paperwork in October 2013, so that he could pose as a biotech company interested in acquiring fetal tissue.
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http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...ight_Wing_Anti-Choice_Fake_Outrage_of_the_Day

But the picture above shows the single most relevant and important part of it — this Planned Parenthood director was talking about standard tissue donations, the kind that are done every day throughout the medical profession. The “pro-life” groups circulating this bogus story are doing their best to portray this as something it’s not: selling body parts. They’re not selling body parts or “harvesting organs;” this is a flat out lie.
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Anyone who thinks human body parts would be sold for the ridiculously low price of $30 to $100 is (not to put too fine a point on it) a gullible idiot.
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http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ab...om-planned-parenthood-on-new-undercover-video

In health care, patients sometimes want to donate tissue to scientific research that can help lead to medical breakthroughs, such as treatments and cures for serious diseases. Women at Planned Parenthood who have abortions are no different. At several of our health centers, we help patients who want to donate tissue for scientific research, and we do this just like every other high-quality health care provider does -- with full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standards. There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood. In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.
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http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a43326/center-for-medical-progress-planned-parenthood-abortion/

But what about the allegations themselves, and the video that has GOP presidential candidates up in arms and demanding a congressional investigation? Well, that too is mostly a matter of clever wording, a few unsubstantiated allegations, and a reliance on the fact that to most people — myself included — medical practices are kind of gross.
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As the [the statute 42 U.S. Code § 274e - Prohibition of organ purchases] states, "The term 'valuable consideration' does not include the reasonable payments associated with the removal, transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, and storage of a human organ…" In other words, transportation — often very rapid transportation, as anyone who has ever watched a dramatic reenactment of an organ donation has seen — can be compensated.
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http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/14/attack-on-planned-parenthood-3-deceptive-edits/204419

A deceptive video from a conservative group purports to show a Planned Parenthood official discussing prices for the illegal sale of fetal tissue from abortions. But the full, unedited footage and transcript released by the group undermines their sensationalist claims, showing at least three crucial edits that reveal the Planned Parenthood official was instead discussing the reimbursement cost for consensual, legal tissue donations.
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Photizo is overly credulous of those who would "Lie for Jesus." It's a shame he would bring this up over a week too late to not be debunked. If he had better research skills, he would not be so dependent on retelling the lies of others.

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spidergoat · Jul 21, 2015

It's a PR win for the anti-choicers, but the underlying issue, that fetal tissue can be used for medical research, is not immoral.

Photizo · Jul 21, 2015

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rpenner · Jul 21, 2015

Not even Republicans believe the video is real evidence of wrong doing:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/does-the-planned-parenthood-video-violate-state-recording-laws

CQ Roll Call reported that some Republican lawmakers were shown the video weeks in advance of its release. When the newspaper’s reporter asked why members of Congress hadn’t acted immediately if they believed the video showed illegal activity, Rep. Tim Murphy, a member of the Pro-Life Caucus, “struggled for an answer before abruptly ending the interview with CQ Roll Call, saying he should not be quoted and remarking, ‘This interview didn’t happen.’”
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And it's not like lying has no consequences:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/planned-parenthood-sting-video_55a92205e4b0896514d11ac9

If the Center for Medical Progress deliberately misled the IRS and donors about the nature of its nonprofit work, it could be subject to civil and criminal fraud penalties.
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And in a letter to Congress, Planned Parenthood details a number of problems:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/sit...ov/files/114/Letters/20150720PPFAresponse.pdf

The nine-minute video released last week by the Center for Medical Progress is the most recent example of their deplorable and possibly unlawful actions. Your letter asks why we called
the video “heavily edited” and said it “falsely portrays” our activities. The reason is that it was selectively edited to create the impression that Planned Parenthood sells tissue, profits from
tissue donation for medical research, or violates other laws in this area – which is simply not true. Here are several troubling examples:

During the surreptitiously taped meeting, Dr. Deborah Nucatola of Planned Parenthood expressly stated that “nobody should be ‘selling’ tissue. That’s just not the goal here.” This highly relevant statement was omitted from the video excerpt. In fact, ten times during the conversation, Dr. Nucatola said Planned Parenthood would not sell tissue or profit from tissue donations, and all ten instances were cut out of the video, misleading the public into thinking she said something she didn’t.

At one point, Dr. Nucatola stated that the reimbursement of costs for a tissue specimen could be between $30 and $100. This statement by Dr. Nucatola was immediately followed by an explanation that the amount had to be based on the clinic’s costs, which is what the law allows. As Dr. Nucatola explained, “It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there who’s going to be doing everything, is there shipping involved, is somebody going to have to take it out. ... [‍I‍]t’s really just about if anyone were ever to ask them, well what do you do for this $60, how can you justify that? ... So it just needs to be justifiable.” This important passage was also edited out of the video excerpt, making it appear that Dr. Nucatola was discussing impropriety when in fact she was saying the opposite, which is that Planned Parenthood only receives reimbursement for costs associated with humanitarian tissue donation, as the law requires.

During the video, Dr. Nucatola repeatedly says that the Planned Parenthood affiliates are not making a profit, but are only recovering their costs. For example, she says: “To them, this is not a service they should be making money from, it’s something they should be able to offer this to their patients, in a way that doesn’t impact them”; “affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They’re looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line”; “we’re not looking to make money from this, our goal is to keep access available”; and “this is not a new revenue stream that affiliates are looking at, this is a way to offer the patient the service that they want, do good for the medical community and still have access.” None of these relevant comments are in the edited version of the video. Instead, they were cut, creating the false impression that Dr. Nucatola was saying the opposite of what she actually was.

During the video, Dr. Nucatola also repeatedly refers to Planned Parenthood’s practice as “tissue donation,” which is appropriate because the tissue is being donated and any fees are simply to recover costs. Nearly all of the references to “tissue donation” were edited out of the video excerpt.

The video also conveyed the impression that all Planned Parenthood affiliates have tissue donation programs. In fact, only a very small number of affiliates have programs to help women and families who wish to donate tissue for medical research, as we will explain during the briefing.

We don’t know what the Center will release next, but we know enough to be deeply concerned about the infiltration of Planned Parenthood and its affiliates. The head of the Center of Medical Progress is David Daleiden, who previously worked for the discredited anti-abortion group Live Action. Over the last eight years, Mr. Daleiden has participated in at least 10 separate attacks on Planned Parenthood involving gaining access to our health centers and offices under false pretenses, taping staff (and sometimes patients) without their knowledge on at least 65 occasions (not counting this latest fraud), and misleading the public with heavily edited tapes and flat-out false charges. In fact, the extremist ties of this latest effort stretch beyond Mr. Daleiden and Live Action. According to published reports, Troy Newman is registered as a board member for the Center for Medical Progress. Mr. Newman is the head of Operation Rescue, which harassed Dr. George Tiller for a decade until, again according to published reports, one of the group’s members murdered Dr. Tiller in his church.
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spidergoat · Jul 21, 2015

What's that picture?

Photizo · Jul 21, 2015

... http://www.lifenews.com/2015/07/21/...-doctor-selling-body-parts-of-aborted-babies/

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... http://www.theamericanmirror.com/shock-more-black-babies-aborted-than-born-in-new-york-city/ ...

Photizo · Jul 21, 2015

... http://www.centerformedicalprogress...r-baby-parts-prices-changes-abortion-methods/ ...

spidergoat · Jul 21, 2015

Abortion is single-handedly responsible for the precipitous drop in crime in the US since the 1970's.

milkweed · Jul 21, 2015

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I watched your videos. First and foremost:

It is not against the law for planned parenthood to receive compensation for tissue acquired for medical research. Video two clearly says patient consent would be obtained. There is no discount for donating tissue was made clear.

All of it; during any of the medical procedures under 'medical research' purposes pay compensation to the provider for their time, expertise and clinic space. The only compensatory offer I am aware of is donating a body to science can result in no cost cremation services.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE...title42-chap6A-subchapIII-partH-sec289g-2.htm

Finally, you present the heavily edited version. CNN talks a bit about the out of context nature:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/15/health/planned-parenthood-undercover-video/

Photizo · Jul 21, 2015

... http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/cmp/take-action/ ...

pjdude1219 · Jul 22, 2015

spidergoat said: ↑

What's that picture?
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its the nile river

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