Black hole multiverse cosmology and Write4U's mathematical universe

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  1. river

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    I disagree with you , thats it . Problem ?
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I have no problem with disagreement.
    I have a problem with you telling me that I a spouting nonsense, whereas you have nothing constructive to offer at all.

    Now do you understand?
     
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  5. river

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    You are spouting nonsense .

    Black-holes in theory eliminate energy and matter , hence then space . There needs to evidence that space , at the center of Galaxies , is shrinking . There isn't and there never will be .
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Oh but you are wrong, the universe is alternately expanding and shrinking and that would agree with a toroidal Universe. The has Universe has a wave function and is dynamical.

    How do you know this? Have you peeked beyond the event horizon?. You make some very daring assumptions.
    In a toroidal universe all matter and energy would remain conserved, as would in a multiverse.
    It would just change form.

    What happens to water in a whirlpool? Does the river shrink from all that disappearing water?

    Where does it say that black holes eliminate matter and energy ? You cannot just spout that kind of nonsense without some pretty reliable sources and concensus.
     
  8. river

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    The water is recirculated . Within the river .

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    It has to , to get to minute , miniscule , sphere of energy . A singularity . Black-hole . By gravity ( nonsense ) , the weakest force of all .
     
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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I think you seriously underestimate the size and mass of some cosmic objects.
    Largest black hole: TON 618

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    Supermassive black holes are thought to lurk in the center of every galaxy and can clock in at many millions of times the mass of the sun. But the biggest known black hole can be found powering a distant quasar — gigantic objects in the early universe spewing out insane amounts of radiation. This one, known as TON 618, has an estimated mass of 66 billion suns,

    And an average star like the sun's gravity holds how many planets locked in orbit? On a cosmic scale, any value however small becomes causally significant

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    In 2004, astronomers noticed a gigantic region of empty space in maps created by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) satellite, which scanned in exquisite detail the cosmic microwave background, or the leftover radiation from the Big Bang. The spot, which spans 1.8 billion light-years across, according to Vice, is strangely devoid of stars, gas, dust and even dark matter. While they have seen previous voids, researchers remain baffled as to how exactly one of this size and scale formed.


    Cosmic Record Holders: The 12 Biggest Objects in the Universe | Live Science
     
  10. river

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    Filaments , and the space between filaments in the Cosmic Web .
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And what does that mean?
    What is the significance of voids within the cosmic web? No massive objects?
     
  12. river

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    Excellent question . We don't know ....yet.

    Why no massive objects ? All Galaxies , stars etc. Are In the filaments of the Cosmic Web . So what is going on jn this space between filaments ?
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What about the black hole ? Does it exist or not?
    No massive objects, no gravity, no clustering. These are just pockets of empty space, but not voids.

    That is the essence of a dynamic spacetime. it is essentially chaotic but with randomly emerging patterns
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Irrelevant?

    Don't underestimate the theoretical mathematics. You seem to forget that almost all observed knowledge of the universe has been mathematically explained and/or predicted because it is all mathematical in essence.

    All physical phenomena are grounded in mathematics. Mathematical relationships is all there is!
    It is a symphony of values interacting via mathematical functions.
    That is the beautiful elegance of the universe.
     
  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, you will have to prove Penrose and Hawking wrong. Penrose was one of the scientists who received the Nobel prize for this theory.

    How The Penrose Singularity Theorem Predicts The End of Space Time


    But perhaps also predicts the creation of new universes. In any case it explains what happens in a black hole and why there are empty spaces in the spacetime web.

    The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences has decided to award the Nobel Prize in Physics 2020

    with one half to

    ROGER PENROSE
    Born 1931 in Colchester, UK. Ph.D.
    1957 at University of Cambridge, UK.
    Professor at University of Oxford, UK

    “for the discovery that black hole formation is a robust prediction of the general theory of relativity”

    and the other half jointly to

    REINHARD GENZEL
    Born 1952 in Bad Homburg vor
    der Höhe, Germany. Ph.D. 1978
    at University of Bonn, Germany.
    Director at Max Planck Institute for
    Extraterrestrial Physics, Garching,
    Germany and Professor at University
    of California, Berkeley, USA.

    and

    ANDREA GHEZ
    Born 1965 in City of New York, USA.
    Ph.D. 1992 at California Institute of
    Technology, Pasadena, USA.
    Professor at University of California,
    Los Angeles, USA.

    “for the discovery of a supermassive compact object at the centre of our galaxy”

    https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2020/press-release/
     
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  17. river

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    How many predictions by mathematics have explained anomalies in the observable Universe , none .

    Without the three dimensional physical objects , which grounds mathematics , mathematics would not exist . Simple really .
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    In a dynamic universe it is a wonder we can make any predictions at all.
    Tell me where that piece of flotsam floating in the river is going to make landfall somewhere downstream.
     
  19. river

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    Learning about The Electric Universe would help .

    Truth . Because in the end the Universe is what it is . And if we fool ourselves , we are done .
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Learning about the Electric Universe helps me understand electricity, but nothing about DYNAMISM. That relies on symmetry breaking.
    Well that is the question, no?
    You go right ahead fooling yourself.
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    From the link;
    Hello David Bohm, we are revisiting your "holographic universe"

    David Bohm and The Holographic Universe:
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    WATCH: BOHM INTERVIEW
    https://futurism.com/david-bohm-and-the-holographic-universe[/QUOTE]
     
  23. river

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    Holographic Universe , your post#673 Write4U

    Wrong . It is the physical , quantum matrix , that allows the hologram to exist in the first place . Without the quantum , the mathematics would not exist . The physical is the essence of mathematics .

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    The holographic duality implies that the mathematics depends on the particle theory existence .
     
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