Black holes do not exist

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Luchito, Mar 3, 2021.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps. But he claimed that "when you start to make your calculations you will end saying black holes is just pure story tale." So presumably he is thinking that math does exist.

    I think the bigger problem is that Luchito and math do not exactly get along.
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Agree, trolls not known for mathematical skills and fail at calculating the airspeed velocity of a unladen African Swallow

    (The airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow is roughly 20.1 miles per hour.)



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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    But what is the airspeed of a fully laden swallow?
     
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  7. river

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    What you don't get , is that mathematics goes off on a tangent , blackholes , from Einstein's Theory . And thinks that they are simply because the mathematics says so . That's the thing .

    Where in a physical based Universe , the essence of all things . Sees the mathematics as nonsense .

    No surprise really . Luchito gets it . The physical is the essence of all mathematics . Mathematics is NOT the essence , is NOT the cause of anything physically real . Mathematics can not produce anything physically real , in and of its self . This understanding should be common knowledge by now .
     
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  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Again, I am not saying anything like that. Luchito said that "when you start to make your calculations you will end saying black holes is just pure story tale." I would like to see those calculations he made.

    Personally I don't think is capable of doing any such calculations, and he is once again lying through his teeth. Perhaps I am wrong. He could demonstrate that by posting those calculations.
    Of course. Mathematics merely represents those physical processes that it can model. It is a tool that is used to describe the physical world. Without math there would be no Internet, no modern electronics, no modern airplanes, no modern medical care, no spacecraft, no satellites. It is a tool that allows us to do all that.
     
  9. river

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    Agreed !!! Great post billvon !!! Now you understand my thinking . river .

    The physical ,( three dimensions, length , breadth and depth , in no particular order of importance ) by its very Nature will have mathematics inherent in it . But does not guide anything .
     
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  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-einstein-quantum-mechanics-team-redefines.html

    Small extract

    Einstein's field equations describe how matter and energy shape spacetime and how in turn the structure of spacetime moves matter and energy. Solving this set of equations, however, is notoriously difficult, such as with pinning down the behavior of a charge associated with an energy-momentum tensor, the troublesome factor that describes mass and energy.

    Do you think Luchito equations will match those of the team in the article?

    Do you think we will ever see Luchito equations?

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  11. river

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    To your last statement . We should have seen them by now I would think .

    To your second last statement ; NO .

    Neither space nor time have any real physical substance , neither space nor time can exist independent , of real physical things .
     
  12. river

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    From Post#547 by Michael 345

    Well the difficulty is obvious . That spacetime has the capabilty to be shaped in the first place , it can't . Neither space nor time have substance on there own .
     
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  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Then where did matter come from?
     
  14. river

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    Energy . Cooled energy . To the point of the ability of energy to combine into matter . The periodic table .
     
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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And is energy a physical object? If so, where did it come from if neither space nor time have substance of their own?

    Are we not getting closer to the concept of relational mathematical abstractions of "value moments"?

    Moment (mathematics)
    (For the physical concept, see Moment (physics)).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_(mathematics)
     
  16. river

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    All based on the physical .
     
  17. river

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    It is carried by a physical object .

    To your last statement ; Cosmic Plasma .

    Space is because of the magnetic field . The larger the magnetic field the greater the space .
     
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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is unresponsive.

    If space and time are non-physical how did the first physical object emerge? That is before the periodic table and before the subatomic particles such as the neutrino.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-a-neutrino/

    https://socratic.org/questions/what-is-the-difference-between-neutrons-and-neutrinos

    Does the term "particle" make a physical existence necessary or can a particle be a quantum of something less substantial?

    Massless particle
    Dynamics
    Gravitons
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massless_particle

    So where does a physical particle stop being physical and becomes a quantum of purely mathematical value?
     
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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And perhaps to come back on topic.
    Mass in special relativity
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    (Redirected from Relativistic mass)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_in_special_relativity

    Can a Black Hole turn into a white hole at some quantum threshold condition, releasing all bound photons at once?
     
  20. river

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    That is unresponsive.

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    Which both are , non-physical .

    There was no emergence of the physical , the physical always existed .
     
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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    But you just told us that space and time are non-substantive (non-physical?)

    From post# 549.
    Where did this physical stuff exist apart from time and space?

    See, when you start with "irreducible complexity" you immediately run into paradoxes.
     
  22. river

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    I did . Both space and time exist because of the physical .
     
  23. river

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    It doesn't . The physical stuff is the essence of space and time . Neither , both space and time can not exist on their own . And Neither can produce a physical thing . The physical stuff exists on its own . The physical is the essence of both space and time .


    No paradox to me .
     
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