Bob Lazar

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by VRob, Nov 19, 2003.

  1. draqon Banned Banned

    dude if I dont curse and speak of soft language...doesnt mean I am a female. I am a guy allright. And yes that girl was just smiling.

    And what in the world is gobbledygook? is that supposed to be in russian? its not.
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  3. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

    It's Cyrillic, so I assumed it's russian, though a few other slavic groups use cyrillic or similar alphabets.
    Fine, don't tell me what it is. I don't want to know.
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  5. Fukushi -meta consciousness- Registered Senior Member

    Soon this world will have to deal with two major issues:

    - The ending of the oil supply
    - The cataclystic eco-crisis of wich we are now beginning to see the glimpses

    My belief is that the 'escape' of man to other worlds IS the only way for mankind to survive.
    Now picture this: Imagine what you would do with a technology like anti-gravity or gravity-shielding technology (if you will).

    To even begin answering a question like this, you should go back in time for a couple of decades, say 50 to 60 years and ask yourself this:
    What would you do with mircowaves?

    You see, it's not a finished technology. The germans were already experimenting with anti-gravity devices, this has been elaborately shown troughout historical investigations,...
    of course you, being a twenty-first-century-sapiens, expect it all to lay for grabs on the internet, with links et all,....

    UNFORTUNATELY it's not.

    So, end of story you say,...

    Can you see how close minded and silly you come off to some of us guys?
    Ofcourse not everything is on the internet, there are literally thousands of people who are working to put the story OUT.

    But there are MILLIONS like you guys, who just can't fathom it.
    Wake up! Think for yourself. And look at the truth from another perspective, because if you're for real, you should do that.
    If you think it's not,...then go take another look at the paradimes that the quantum-mechanics meant for the world of DESCARTES AND NEWTON
    and in turn; what every human must do for himself now: to place the exact exlamation marks on the evolution of our
    social and moral conduct.

    YOU see the world trough the eyes of an ancient, defeceated, sociosyncratic, psychosympatic, filosomatic perspective.....

    YOU didn't evolve, you dinosour brains! (and DO FEEL THE PUN) and this to;

    -no-one in particular,
    -the ones that take offence in it
    -and also maby to all those that are religious but are saying that their world they live in is NOT an illusion of it's own

    Dig it.


    And thank you for your attention.
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2007
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  7. draqon Banned Banned

    well I, for one thing, aiming all my life to going to NASA and escaping to Mars.
  8. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

    Mars belong to us.
  9. draqon Banned Banned

    :bugeye: who would that be? simple methanogenic bacteria with hydrogen pyroxide walls?
  10. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

    All the planets within reachable distance have no environment that can sustain life (Although there is always discussion over whether a planet "Once" sustained life, or with the help of a serious expense account would terraforming be possible). So running away from an "eco-crisis" to a planet with no ecology is pretty rediculous.

    Since these planets have no confirmed history of life either, it pretty much removed "Fossil Fuels" from being found there, this means those planets have no oil or coal. If such planets had been found to have a vaste supply of oil, I'm sure there would be a bunch of oil companies already chalking up plans to take over a bunch of them.

    I suppose you could say the harsher the environment becomes here the more we will know if our lives can withstand hostile environments. This would be important if such "Terraforming" or biosphere building was to ever occur in the future.

    Although currently Space would be too costly and the only plans people have for it currently is military[surveillance], Communications, Education[Astronomy/Astrophysics] and of course Rich peoples holidays.
  11. Fukushi -meta consciousness- Registered Senior Member

    Point taken,

    But when the oil supply diminishes, there already should be an effort to reach for the stars, because altough there would be no life on the planets we discover now, we have just sofar discovered only a few and this, not to the lack of existing planets that we can find but rather the lack of money we're trowing at it.

    A good example for that would be the delayed (initially cancelled) Terrestial-Planet-Finder

    A bit of disclosure, especially in these hard crisis times, would all be to welcome I suppose.
  12. phlogistician Banned Banned

    We just haven't got the technology to detect habitable planets. We are only just capable of finding quite large planets, several times that of Earth at the moment, and we have no way of actually imaging or resolving them. We use orbital 'wobble' to predict their existence, or look for occlusion in the intensity of their star. We'd have to be able to resolve the planet itself, and then look at spectra, to see the composition of the atmosphere, prove water, look in IR for vegetation, etc etc etc. This would require a hugely sensitive instrument, in orbit, and this would be incredibly expensive, and of dubious benefit. We can't currently get a manned mission to another planet in our Solar System, let alone leave it, cross space to another, and land. So what use is it, knowing where a habitable planet is? None, we can't get one person there, we can't even get a probe there at the moment, let alone a population large enough to save mankind.

    And here's the question, why should people pay taxes to save a few others to go live a new life on a new planet, to be left behind to suffer? I'm not paying for that, and in fact, I'd make it my mission to sabotage any such plans, and make everyone face up to their responsibilities right here on Earth. We need to reduce our population, and therefore our demand on resources, and invest in nuclear energy in the short term, until we can sustain ourselves by other means. This is where the research and spending should focus, not on manned space missions.
  13. ScottMana Registered Senior Member

    Wow. On one side you are right. We have little right to be so irrespossible as to move onto more planets having proven we can't be responisible for our own. But on the second, we are not over populated.

    What can one man accomplish? Or let me ask other questions. How much forest could you destroy with a flame thrower and chainsaw in a day? If all men on earth worked like that, this planet would not last a week. Its not that I am attacking you, its that man gets what he works on. It can sometimes be hard to tell with the large numbers of people on Earth that most people take from the Earth more than they give. Let me make this simpler. If every one on Earth spent 60% of his day destroying our planet and 40% building it back up again what do you think would happen? And what if you reversed those figures?

    6.5 billion people can look like alot of people. It is. But this planet can take alot more if man learned to create a planet more then he desroyed it. We can not however live as we do by taking more than we give. Thus we destroy. Half the current population will have the same result, it will just take longer before the end would come. It is still too much destruction. Man has survived as he is for two reasons. The first is that the planet has alot of resources that took along time to put there. The second is that he didn't know how to get around the destruction he caused and thus had to keep from being too destructive. Knowledge brings power, but it also brings responsiblity. Anyone can leave behind him more than he destroys.

    The ONLY solution is to restore mankinds responsiblity or move him to a new area to destroy - and that will eventualy have an end too when he runs out of area.

    Reducing the population of man is just as irresponsible. It is yet another way to not take responsiblity and would only work if you could cut him down below the level of destruction that he creates until nature could make up for this blight on Earth. Truly insane people love to infiltrate this kind of "fact" into mans thinking until sane people kill their babes and man heads for another dark age. It starts small, but it always starts with the wrong solution.

    There will one day come a time that man realy does reach a state of over population. But if he is realy sane, he will not need to kill or cut down the future of man.

    He can reach for the stars and leave a living world behind him.

    P.S. Did you know that over 50% of the worlds forest's have been cut down?
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2007
  14. jumpercable 6EQUJ5 'WOW' Registered Senior Member

    It's obvious that man had better start looking for another place to hang out if he wants to continue his so-called intelligent life form, because in a billion years from now, this place we call planet earth is going to start getting pretty dam hot. One could possibly say the same thing about Alpha Centauri too. Any suggestions?
  15. orcot Valued Senior Member

    advice people to stay indoor and report that skin cancer is normal desease, that can happen with all of us, so put on extra sunlotion. Further on act like nothing is happeningn until you drop death. Afther that fill in a formal complain.
  16. jumpercable 6EQUJ5 'WOW' Registered Senior Member

    It's probably a good bet that the human race will be long gone in less than a billion years from now and maybe even much sooner than that. But, as I pointed out in my previous post, better start looking now for a safe haven in another closeby star system to continue the species before it's too late.
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2007
  17. orcot Valued Senior Member

    Offcourse humans beens are going to disapear in the next 50 000 years naturally by evolution.
    All considering it would only take 1 or 2 generations that deem the human model is outdated, for all of it to change with near future genetica so I don't give the human race as we now it, another 500 years. That is if we survive that long.

    The earth isn't wreally doing so well with 6 billion people on it, I think we're with a little bid to much people on this globe
  18. phlogistician Banned Banned

    The human race will be unrecognisable in 100,000 years, if it still exists. It won't last a million, let alone anything approaching a billion. On these timescales you have to factor in natural disasters, and over a million years, we stand a good chance of having our society crushed by nature.

    Why should we bother? What's so special about us? If another planet can host life, it probably is, we should leave them alone.
  19. jumpercable 6EQUJ5 'WOW' Registered Senior Member

    Even if there is another planet in a nearby solar system that does harbor life as we know it or something similiar, we'll probably spend the next 500 to 1,000 years trying to communicate with it to find out if we're welcome. Chances are, we won't be.
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2007
  20. gbil Registered Member

    regarding Stanton Friedman's access to personal information - exactly how did Stanton get permission to access Bob's credentials. Stanton does not list any references of peoples names he used to access it. Stanton was the first one to attack Corso for not listing references in his book!

    Personally don't believe all of Bobs story about aliens - Total BS unless proved otherwise.

    About that w2 form - there are hundreds of departments working for the department of naval intelligence such as sub-contractors (technicians, professors, security agencies, government, etc) - sorry, but thats not enough proof to say that Bob was a scientist and all the stuff he claims, however strange that George Knapp called for an inquiry into his w2 form and got back 'permission denied' - more confusion.

    Fraud or not!!
  21. jumpercable 6EQUJ5 'WOW' Registered Senior Member

    Whether you believe Bob Lazar stories or not about captured alien flying saucers from Zeta2 Reticuli stored in Area 51, the burden of proof will always be for Bob Lazar's to prove and 'not' the U.S. government.
  22. gbil Registered Member

    thats right..dun believe any BS alien reticuli crap. I just wanted to know how one would access another persons credentials.
  23. Fukushi -meta consciousness- Registered Senior Member

    He who is without fantasy, is living a lie.

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