Brushes with the unexplained

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Jun 29, 2017.

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Well the photo of the ARK looks a bit dodgy

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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Gobekli Tepe?
     
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  5. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Just by what's attributed to a "closed system", I'd personally anticipate "inexplicable incidents" as always open to eventually being explainable by that complex's conventions. Even if the incidents truly were of an ilk intruding upon its normal patterns. Unpackaging this:

    To keep it from being dogmatic metaphysics, "nature" or the adjectival "natural" might refer to the systematic expectation of a world's components being able to fully serve as inter-dependent reasons or causes for each other without appealing to external or "prior in rank" provenances. An internal network of sufficient explanation or coherent functioning within that cosmos itself.

    For instance (and to recruit contemporary metaphor), even a simulated domain or program maintained by a future quantum computer[*] could be arranged to be internally coherent in terms of its own appearance of how it worked without having access to the higher-level apparatus / powers making it possible. The latter could be denied by the inhabitants of the nested level (for the sake of practical interior progress within that "game" itself) without actually eliminating the possibility of the hidden elevation making it possible. {footnote [*] - In place of this iterative type metaphor (material computer within yet another material computer) one could substitute a traditional non-repeated type (like immaterial generative principles) to stop the regress.}

    If such a "prior in rank" stratum was the case, and it had a tendency to intrude upon its product, then to prevent the "concept or system of natural" from being violated, there would always be a "non-extraordinary explanation" for _X_ weird event (thereby only "seeming" to be weird). But supervening upon that set of circumstances would be the cryptic meaning / influence which the intended individual(s) were receptive to. Denizens with those "crypto-cognitive" tendencies being fated to unfold from the "program" of either computer or generative principles eventually. (I reflexively interpret Chinese language as organized gibberish / meaninglessness, but Chinese readers overlay or extract significance upon / from those details.)

    An alternative, cruder approach would instead have "real" (not so subtle) intrusions retconned or edited / revised away after the influence of the "bizarre event" was delivered to the applicable residents. A mundane explanation would be inserted in world's environmental records of the past and a similar revision of skeptics' memories making that doable. At first glance this would seem the far more complicated route (but perhaps not under closer analysis?). The "occult" interference also wouldn't have to be deliberate, or delivered personal revelations of any kind -- but simply anomalous glitches or arbitrary occurrences that were repaired by that not completely flawless upper process / provenance. But still, if some of the observers or recipients were allowed to retain their original memories, then it would suggest those influences slash contaminations being a legitimate part of the "internal story" being outputted.

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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    To be frank, I can't discount the existence of any supernatural entity in a cosmos where ufos, fish from the sky, SHC, and poltergeists are possible. But I highly recommend basing any belief in them on empiricle or at least anecdotal data and not on theological treatises or religious scriptures.
     
  8. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Even management of society which is not 100% ideological seems to have to rely on generalizations abstracted from statistical data, and the formalized plans for regulations and action which authority devises that is based on that.

    But it's a tad insane for the individual herself to be trying to live in that generic representation / version of the world (or always basing decisions upon it) rather than the contingent one of experience and personal memories. As long as the particular events of the latter are / were publicly accessible to others (not imaginations, hallucinations, etc), and one is not a member of a state or ideology that forces the individual to "totally" conform to either its abstract models or static dogma. (Little choice then, apart from imprisonment, torture, execution.)

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  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    You gotta build your own ark. You're responsible for your own salvation.
     
  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    And you gotta save all the animals too. Nice..
     
  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Yup. You gotta protect your own resources. God ain't gonna do it for you.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Snakes, alligators, skunks, and buzzards aren't exactly "my resources". But hey, whatever the voice in your head says, right?
     
  13. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Sure they are. They're all integral parts of your ecosystem.
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Well, buzzards at least are important, unless you want to be up to your ankles in roadkill

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  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That's not a resource. And it's doubtful those animals were part of Noah's ecosystem.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I understand this word

    What was the rest about?

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  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    All ecosystems are interrelated.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    So what? And they're not resources for us to exploit. But hell, when the voice in your head is destroying all life, what choice do we have?
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say anything about exploiting.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    So they aren't resources now? Wow..this is one funky metaphor..
     
  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Resources don't have to be exploited.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Riiiggghhhtt! Special non-exploited resources. Ones you just look at.
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Or ones that you leave alone and don't muck with (such as the ones that deal with dead animals and roadkill for us) - I'm not quite sure what your hangup is on what he said...
     
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