Bush vs Kerry Debate 3 : Final Debate

Maybe.
Hell even Iraq had National Healthcare under Saddam.

 

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Just to set out my non-lunatic credentials, I would like to say that I put absolutly no stock in the rumors going around that Bush was wearing a wire in the 1st debate. However in the 3rd debate he appeared to definately be under the influence of some form of chemical stimulant. I noticed right away that he seemed super peppy, and the contrast was a lot bigger than being next to Kerry could account for. He spoke overly loud, he seemed to lunge over his podium as he spoke, he did his weird open handed podium slaping in a very frantic jerky way bringing his hand up way to high as he did it, and he fidgited. I am completely convinced he was on something, maybe just too much coffee but something had him... (dare I say) wired. His buzz seemed to wear off as the debate went on, but there was still the occasional outburst, and I cringed every time he did his odd podium slaping maunver.

 

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I think Bush has had a stroke recently. See how his mouth slopes down on one side? Has it always been like that? The podium slapping was hilarious.

Kerry wasn't perfect. Went back to previous questions too much.

But he beat Bush again. Pretty badly. I can see thinking this was a draw if biased to Bush....but if you think Bush won then you didn't even need to watch the debate cause your mind was obviously made up.

Kerry easily won on style. He also slightly won on substance, though that depends on your viewpoint. I prefer someone to talk about plans for the next 4 years. Kerry talked about his. Bush said he'd keep doing whatever he has done.

 

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Yeah the debates are useless. Bush just lies and everyone thinks it’s the truth.
example: he said, "I never said that" (about saying that he didnt think about osama much) when he did say it. There is no doubt in my mind that he knew he said that. However, that was the only way to minimize how bad it looks, because most of the "swing" voters wont pull their head out of their own arse long enough to check the facts.

p.s. watch frontline tonight, and get firends, family, and any swing voter you know to watch it. pbs 10pm where I am.
click here for local listings

 

No Mad, Kerry yet again completely destroyed Bush, don't take my word for it:

Bush doesn't know what he is talking about and he is the president of the US. Honestly now Kerry has been the superior cnadidate for a long while now, and I suspect that should Kerry keep up the volume he could win this election. Bush has lost a great deal of momentum. I remember watching CNN last night and Bill Hemmer was there with all those endecided Ohio voters, and 7 sadi they would vote for Bush, and 11 would vote for Kerry. All these people prior to the debate were undecided. I find it sad, that you would honeslty believe that Bush won. There is no question about it Kerry should have convinced the American people he is strong enough to take over from Bush. Also I think Kerry could have done better on his rebuttal to the “Global test” which the GOP tries to manipulate by taking it out of context from the time of statement and tried to imply that Kerry would wait for international approval to do the hard choices. Kerry did say that it was a mischaracterization of his position, and I think that Kerry was very intelligent in stating that in Americans “guts” they know that his position is better.

 

I agree. Bush actually spoke well... Perhaps he was on drugs?

 

I think that's rather a desperate assessment. Of course, I don't see how Bush won any of the debates. Cheney had a better night out, but the nation suddenly got tired of him and seems to have held his dishonesty against him. And speaking of Cheney, did anyone catch Lynn throwing her daughter to the wolves after the debate last night?

Apparently John Kerry is a bad man for pointing out that the party of family values holds that the daughter of the vice-president is a second-class citizen.

Yeah. Send Lynn out there to try to match Elizabeth Edwards busting Veep Dick. Great idea, GOP: it shows how bone-dry you are.

 

We'll find out who won the debates on Nov. 3.........Right? Right!

Atta Boy

 

Theoretically.

 

I know it is a losing battle, but it is a pet peeve of mine.
PODIUM/LECTERN

Strictly speaking, a podium is a raised platform on which you stand to give a speech; the piece of furniture on which you place your notes and behind which you stand is a lectern.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/podium.html

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

 

MadAnthony,

You're entitled to your opinion, but the great majority, if not all, of polls clearly indicate Kerry as the winner.

The GOP tried to salvage something about of the miserable first debate, and that little gimmick was "global test". Kerry went out of his way in that debate to say that he would never compromise national security in the face of international frigidity, but nooooooo, the Bush crowd shivers and panics at any mention of international cooperation. To them, working with others to avoid messes like Iraq= Nazi Communism. Paris = Nazi Communism. It's really laughable.

After Bush's trouncing in the last debate, the GOP have tried to pin the Mary Cheney comment on Kerry. Oh boo hoo, Lynne Cheney. You never said anything when Alan Keyes called your daughter a selfish hedonist. No no no, that's just a "difference of opinion". But when John Kerry says anything about your gay daughter, it's "dirty politics". Hey, maybe if you got your head out of the sand...

 

International cooperation=Finding fools willing to be gun meat. There are little of those. I do not see how Iraq, Afghanistan could be "democratized" using international or intergallactic cooperation.

 

If that were so, there's even less chance of that happened through brute and unwarranted force. Actually, Afghanistan was probably the right war, although I'm not totally clear on the details. But unilaterally marching into fundie Muslim nations who see U.S. as the greatest anti-Muslim threat in the world does little to foster democracy.

And if you are a Bush supporter, the point of Iraq was WMDs and imminent threat, not some hippie (how ironic) mission of peace and love-spreading and democracy for all yay!

 

Application of the brute, unwarranted force is pretty much the ONLY way of winning a guerilla war. Trying/failing to be nice is the surest way to endlessly build body count. Guerillas attack only weak or irresolute opponents. Just imagine what USA army would have done to German or Japanese civilians dancing around a burning american tank in 1946, for example. Apply force or get out. Seems that full application of force is not likely in the light of building puppet quasi democracy. Therefore, USA should get out.

I have not seen any evidence of the Osama's/Al Qaeda's participation in 9-11. Sure, I could buy politician's words; but somewhow I do not trust their words. No tangible evidences = no ground to attack Afghanistan. Soviets already tried to build socialism (and some kind of democracy) in the feudal tribal assembly of clans with the name of Afghanistan. For the economics reasons they failed (no, soviets were not defeated military; their economy got tired of the transforming feudal tribes into something else). Now Americans are tryint (officially at least) to bring tribesmen into democratic, capitalist paradise in the shortest time possible. All that "democratic election" circus in Afghanistan looks so fucking ridiculous. Afghanistan is even more hopeless project than Iraq. For time being local warlord are being bribed into some kind of peace. Bribing funds will get exhausted="democratic" experiment is history.

 

But since when has reality and real issues mattered in elections. This Cheney thing speaks more then America's failures.

 

Godless - nice pic. how about this one?

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AntiWar is Winning! Hooray!

:fist pump:

 

can't you see it's the same guy?

this cartoon is brilliant.. just as the rest of the cartoons by these guys.
it says it all:
Bush doesn't even have to argue. Kerry's own words will eliminate him.
he's got the mentality of a lawyer (which he is) - whatever the case of the day is, prepare for it, and then argue it. lawyers are not supposed to have convictions, and he's a lawyer alright.

 

well that way the UN can pimp him like the bitch he is! left wing cream dream!

go back to sleep america. everything is okay. the UN has everything under control. sanctions are effective. the US has the only corrupt government in the universe. john kerry has plans. they're better. really. he has NOT offered your collective asses to your alienated 'allies' (wouldn't that mean they were enemies?) (during a presidential debate even). he will negotiate from strength.

(don't forget, george bush raped your sister and killed your parents, then gave their assets to haliburton)

 

Response #1: Brilliant, perhaps, in the sense that a fern on a brass rail on an empty stage in front of a brick wall in a deserted comedy club is brilliant.

Or, to borrow from Hillary Clinton, the true hilarity of such a frame is that it protests John Kerry's tendency to change his opinion to suit the facts.

The desperation of the conservative interpretation is heartwrenching. The only thing that could be said of such a scenario as Cox and Forkum present is that we know George W. would later be telling everyone how he beat the crap out of Kerry with his own two hands.

Or, indebted again to Senator Clinton, well, I think the line about W is obvious.

Response #2: I hold with Hype, anyway, Otheadp. Kerry is a man of deep consideration: he'll wrangle with himself daily over the right and wrong. Bush? He just sits on his ass and waits for God to tell him what to do.

Kerry knows what he's asking to step into. He won't abandon a people victimized by his predecessor. But neither will he abandon his armed services. George W. Bush got us into the wrong war at the wrong time. Now we need competent leadership to protect our service members and help fulfill the responsibilities we have assumed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And there are a number of ways John Kerry can choose to go about "fixing" the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I hold with Hype: the anti-war is winning, and this is a good thing--for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, and also for the men and women of our American armed services.