Can former atheists explain what atheism is?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Jan Ardena, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Squelchy or solid?

    Jan
     
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  3. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    How can I answer a question when you have already decided what the answer is going to be? Your answers are there in bold. You have denied me my freedom of speech by filling my mouth with words I never said. You will never listen to or accept my answer, you have already made up your mind. It's just a one way conversation, I am not allowed to say anything according to you.
     
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  5. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    Correction, you are talking "for" Goldtop.

    Goldtop is not allowed to talk according to you.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    There you go, raking in the muck, ....... maybe you'll tell me that it preserves my shoes.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This is truly Trumpian, every personal wishful thought is truth, all others must submit to the "truth according to ......(take your pick, Trump, Bible, Jan).
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And that is just the way he likes it. Hearing your own opinions may make him doubt his. (Or, more accurately, abandon the thread for a while until he thinks people have forgotten.)
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't follow.
    There is obviously a way I can know - I can listen to the many different kinds of atheists, and observe they are different.
    A few even carry cards, maybe - it's possible. They would speak for themselves as well.
    Same as, for any atheist.
     
  11. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Wow. Based on this response I am at a loss to understand your beliefs. Some of what you stated appears to be contradictory (to me). I am sure this all makes sense to you, but this seems quite confusing to me.

    Thanks for the reply.
     
  12. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    No problem.

    Jan.
     
  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why not?

    They may differ within the atheist mindset. One atheist may deem theism a good thing, for whatever reason, and another atheist may see it as a bad thing, for whatever reason. One atheist may accept the possibility of there being a God, and another may think the idea of s God is preposterous. But no matter what any atheist thinks or believe, they are atheist. They can never be anything more than atheist, as long as they remain atheist.

    So my question is, before an atheist realises he has been in denial and rejection of God, what is his state of mind.

    If I were to ask you atheists now, what your state of mind regarding atheism is. Your all going to create scenario where you are content in your atheism. This is because you are in denial (from theistic and scriptural POV).
    This denial and rejection is as clear as day, even in this thread.
    But you have to pile drive through your denial, and act as though you’re not in denial, or rejection, so you can maintain your position. Otherwise you’re going to have to admit to yourself, that you are irrational.

    Now obviously you’re going to take issue with me stating you are in denial and rejection of God. But that is how former atheists tend to describe their position. They don’t have to go scouring through science and philosophy books to understand there is a God. God is always there, they just didn’t want to look.

    Bear in mind, these are atheist like yourself. They believed religion, scripture, theism, and God, were not based in evidence, not based in reality, made for weak people who couldn’t face death, and a host of other nonsense.
    They would argue in a similar fashion to sny other thinking atheist, because you all wee in the same pot of responses and reactions.

    Jan.
     
  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You’re dodging the question.
    I accept your dodging as an answer, unless you want to follow up.

    Jan,
     
  15. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    Obviously? You mean the fact that most here have been taking issue with that for as long as you've been here making those statements isn't obvious enough? When did it actually become obvious to you?

    And of course, you aren't actually making those statements from a theistic and scriputural POV, but instead you are in fact making those statements from a "Jan" POV. There are many theists who would disagree with you in that regard. We talk to them, too. They don't fill our mouths with their words like you do. Some of them actually listen to what we have to say and don't run a constant monologue telling us what we think and believe.

    Perhaps, we should be taking our advice from you and we too can start telling you how you think, what you believe and we'll just ignore everything you have to say about it. We could call it "From a Reality POV".

    Of course, the difference is that we won't stoop to that level of dishonesty, arrogance and pettiness. Seems you will, though.
     
  16. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    question:
    Is anyone here actually a former atheist?
     
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  17. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    You have dishonestly and arrogantly answered it already. I don't dodge honest questions, Jan. That's what you do.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Jan doesn't dodge questions. He dodges truth and logic. He is totalli immersed in a fantasy world ruled by divine magic.

    This is hopeless, you cannot logically converse with a person who is hallucinating. Everything happens from his magical world perspective..

    We might as well discuss the world of Jumanji.
     
  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I don't see god being there, and it's not because I've previously decided to adopt an "atheist mindset". I never believed there was a God, even as a child. I never disbelieved or rejected it either. I approached it as a story to explain things that people didn't know about, could be right or wrong. It wasn't until I was about 10 and met theists that I realized people actually believed it, but I couldn't figure out why. I was obsessed with religion at around 16, and learned about all kinds of religious ideas other than God. The idea that the only question was God or no God began to seem limiting and culturally unaware . It wasn't until I was about 25 that I found a reason to call myself an atheist. Atheism is a label we call someone who isn't convinced there is a God. There is no such glaring and obvious evidence all around us as you imply. It is arrogant to assume that you are seeing things without blinders, unlike us who blind ourselves with a label. You seem to think if we reject this "atheist mindset" we will miraculously see God. What that really means is accepting there is a God (the opposite of the meaning of atheism) so that we can accept there is a God. In this, you are admitting that it takes bias to see evidence where there is none. I still have not rejected the idea of God as a possibility, but I remain as skeptical as ever, especially when your arguments assume something you have no way of knowing about, my state of mind.

    What you argue isn't even an argument, it's a form of bigotry. It's rude, and doesn't even deserve the thought that I'm presently giving it.
     
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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Acknowledging Jan is merely indulging his delusional state of mind.
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    There is no such mindset. They will differ within the human population.
    That question - which is much different from the OP bs - would apply to only a few atheists. Since there is no atheist mindset, obviously, assuming there is one will likely prevent comprehension of any answers you get even from those few.
    And those few will of course differ among themselves, as well.
    That would be not like me - you are already lost.
    Which illustrates the problem with the approach - you would confuse yourself, immediately.

    So you can't find out anything about atheism, from such a misleading and poorly calculated approach. And there is no reason to believe you are actually that stupid as to think you could. So - - - .
     
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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Except that all are in agreement there is no god as described in scripture....

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  23. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Do you suppose god wonders where he came from too?
     

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