Discussion in 'Religion' started by Jan Ardena, Mar 22, 2019.
By definition, not discovery. And there are a thousand different mindsets that fit that definition.
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Which means, there is no God.
That is atheism.
This blatant misrepresentation, and denial, is characteristic of most thinking atheists.
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If you ask any atheist why they don’t believe in God, they’re going to play the there is no evidence song. When you ask what would make them accept and, or believe. They either can’t say, or will come up some magic trick idea. That is the atheist mindset. Anything on top of that is a bid to validate, and justify their position.
There may be atheists who don’t give any real. waking thought about their position. But upon being asked why they don’t believe in God, once they think about it. They will come up with the same reasoning as their thinking brethren.
What I’m interested in are those that have given up that mindset, and become theists. What was the process that brought them round?
What is there to find out? Atheism is basically the position of not believing in God, for whatever reason. Did I miss anything?
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Precisely. Disbelief which is supported by current science.
This cannot be said of theism. Theism means a belief into a god which is wholly unsupported by current science.
Aren't atheists simply denying what is?
Are you a former atheist?
What makes you think there are former atheists? Suppose there are none? Who's gonna explain anything?
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Sure it is.
Nonsense. Only a small fraction would do that - mostly those raised among Western Abrahamic fundamentalism.
That's a small and specialized subset of atheistic people - and even among them you would find many radically different "mindsets". The answer to the OP, among them, would obviously be "no".
So the OP is bullshit - that's not news.
It would appear that Jan is certainly demonstrating that when he is no longer talking "FOR" me, he stops talking altogether with me. His actions or lack thereof confirm what everyone says about him. Jan doesn't seem to have a problem with his reputation, morals or ethics when it comes to debating in good faith, yet this is something Jan keeps telling us all we should acknowledge as the best way to live ones life; faith based dishonesty to oneself. Lie to yourself and believe it, that way it's so much easier to lie to others and when they don't accept your lies, ignore them, they are not worthy to exist.
Not my problem. It's your idea, you give me a reason to believe it. Better yet, why doesn't God give me a reason to believe it, if he wants us to believe so much? Perhaps if God appeared in the clouds all over the world at the same time and turned all the evil people good, I would have a reason to believe him. I still wouldn't worship him, but I'd think that God person is not such a bad guy. But maybe he's just a technologically advanced alien being. The only good reason I've heard lately is that it made someone feel better who was suffering from mental illness. Good for them, but it doesn't make me feel better.
The God described in scripture is only one example of many possible Gods. I can reject one and keep an open mind about, or believe in others. I'm quite sure you are an atheist with respect to many Gods, especially the ones you don't yet know about. The idea that all possible Gods are the same God is specifically rejected in biblical scripture (Thou shall have no Gods before me...).
A week and nothing has changed.
Jan asserts, explicitly, that atheists cannot understand theism, yet asserts, explicitly, that theists can understand atheism.
This is textbook hypocrisy.
Oh top of being wrong. Not all atheists believe God does not exist. This is fact. Jan's belief/desire carries zero weight.
Jan has given up on even the pretense of discussing these issues - making utterly unfounded claims of belief, and then forgetting he said them before ever bothering to defend them. Thus, I post this - not for Jan, who is lost in catatonia, where he hears only his own voice - but for the record, to be seen by all.
It approaches Trumpian thinking.
The definition of God as a supernatural being would seem to preclude the existence of evidence. You accuse atheists of a "magic trick" idea when your God appears to be nothing other than magic.
I'm being open minded to evidence and you're being closed minded to the notion of having a reason to believe.
As rational people do.
Imagine a world where actually asking to see evidence is disparaged - as Jan does above.
"Your honour, the defense clearly is in denial about the existence of unicorns. As if we actually need to show a unicorn to know that they're real (rolls eyes). The defense mocks this courtroom, with his ... his demand for quote evidence unquote...."
Imagine a world where first we posit things might exist, and then ask what evidence we need to accept them.
Jan: I posit the existence of a square circle. Please provide me with particulars of what would be acceptable in the way of evidence to convince you. (And then I will find a book where people say they saw square circles.)
Yes. Also known as being rational.
Contrast with Jan, knowing in his hearty-heart that God. Just. Is.
Indeed. Just as a-unicornism is the position of not believing in unicorns.
Jan, why do you reject unicorns? Clearly the fact that the word 'unicorn' exists - and is a concept - is proof that they exist. (And you certainly don't need evidence, right?)
Nope. It means that THAT SPECIFIC GOD does not exist. Doesn't say anything about whether a different God exists.
And since the Bible is self-contradictory as it is - that's a good thing.
Atheism is not supported by current science.
Science = knowledge = God.
Atheists are forced to believe that the desire and ability “to know”, is a result of billions of years of evolution, starting from nothing.
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Atheists just deny.
What other reasons do they give?
Who made you their spokesman?
So atheism isn’t a lack of belief in God?
There is no reasoning with someone who is in denial.
The fact that you can ask why God doesn’t give you any reasons, should be enough to understand that God Is. But you will replace that knowledge with anything that keeps you in your current condition.
No it’s not.
That idea, in your mind, serves only to maintain your condition.
No you can’t.
I accept God, therefore I accept god’s.
There is no such thing as God’s. There is only one God., and there are innumerable god’s.
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