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Shall we lay a wager on that?

In a related vein: what is to be done about the obstinately obstinate on matters of evolutionary science and evidentiary process?

 

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The idea of 'creation' itself has never been falsified.

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Is it falsifiable?

 

You should probably define which creation you mean. But SG is dead right: it's not falsifiable.

 

Can you illuminate me?

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Actually the idea that it was 'not created' is also not falsifiable...

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But the idea that it had to be is.

 

I don't think anyone can illuminate you. Am I falsifiable on this belief?

 

The Theory of Evolution is indeed falsifiable in many ways. If we found a cat fossil in some ancient layer, for instance.

 

Mind participating on the God of Science thread? The idea and process of 'randomness' in Evolution is not falsifiable.

Secondly I actually was thinking about 'creation' it terms of the universe, not just biology.

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'had to be' is an absolute view, and science doesn't take absolute stances.

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Yes, because I have been illuminated by many. Why post this idiotic question adding no real substance to the discussion...

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Er, the idea that it had to be isn't the scientific view.

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Do try to follow the "discussion".

In other words science could show that god isn't necessary for a universe to occur, but theists could also claim "Well yes, but that's a special case. God created our universe".

 

You're the only one making the claim 'had to be'.... I only said 'creation' itself is not falsifiable... if you're going to change my statement into something more absolute like 'had to be' then that is your choice- and irrelevant in terms of what I said.

Perhaps you should maintain the discussion before you follow it

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Also science only shows how things work- the question of why it happened can't be answered by science- because first of all no body knows if 'why' is even a valid question. So science actually can never show that 'god isn't necessary'-

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That doesn't really matter, since the theory doesn't depend on complete mathematical randomness, only the relatively arbitrary nature of mutations and errors.

 

If it isn't falsifiable, then it isn't valid and can't be taken seriously as a hypothesis. As an alleged student of biology, you should know that.

Then, by your own logic, you just demonstrated god isn't necessary. Well done.

 

Neither has the idea of invisible, pink, fire-breathing dragons been falsified. What's your point?

 

Actually it does because that essentially is the process that is guiding these mechanisms of mutations, genetic drift, upon which Natural Selection acts.

Not knowing if it is controlled by something eliminates any conclusion of necessity for a God or not, because you don't know exactly what is leading up to these events/mechanisms.

The theory doesn't depend on it but the understanding of it does.

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