Can we define god?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps, but I like to think that logic is a transcendent universal truth, similar to probability and the exponential function, which if not constant functions, would immediately return an emergent orderly system back into a state of chaos.

    I think this concept is explained in Chaos Theory. The logical function is bi-directional, AFAIK.

    A simple method for detecting chaos in nature
    Abstract
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-019-0715-9[/quote]
     
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  3. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    God is LOVE. Love is a deep feeling of affection, and happiness. Both romantic and deeply pleasurable.
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    That's a newbie

    LOVE said Let there be Light blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Bingo we have a Universe

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  7. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Well I tried.
     
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    Precious.......

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  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    story time
    OK?
    this is an old story and many versions have come about
    in some, the gods became kings or emperors
    in some, there were 4 gods/kings/emperors and in some just 2
    in some there were 9 holes and in some, only 7
    ok?
    here's the first of the stories that i read over 40 years ago
    story
    Long ago and far away there were 4 gods of the middle kingdom, and the primogenitor god CHAOS
    (also known as Hun-tun)
    ok
    The 4 gods of the cardinal points of the compass would gather together in the domain of Chaos
    They were very human like while Chaos was undifferentiated---resembling an amorphous blob
    Chaos always treated them well
    so
    The 4 gods thought to improve Chaos by modernizing Chaos
    They observed that they and all humans had 9 bodily opening, while Chaos had none
    eyes, ears, nose, mouth, anus, and urinary meatus
    so they set about boring one hole a day in Chaos.
    They bored the holes for the eyes, then the nose, then the mouth then the ears, and on the 8th day, the urinary meatus and on the ninth day the bored the hole for the anus
    and
    on the ninth day
    Chaos died

    and the moral is.......................................................................................................
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Don't believe in gods.

    Why do descriptions of gods always include some kind of intent, which is reserved for sentient intelligence.

    If we change the definition of a god to an implacable force which acts in a semi-intelligent manner, then the entire story gains clarity and justifies the existence of the god of science, the god of inquiry and clarity in understanding the character of the other gods.....

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    The God of Mathematics is my implacable non-sentient semi-intelligent guiding force. It's an honest and demonstrably true presence. Our belief in the mathematical bible is a justifiable belief, IMO
     
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  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Don't be a anus because it is all downhill from there

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I find this remarkable.

    Flora uses Carbon Dioxide and produces Oxygen. Fauna uses Oxygen and produces Carbon Dioxide.
    Is it any wonder that the forests are host to so many species?

    What other remarkable juxtapositions can be found in nature that thrive on each others waste products?

    "Natural Selection" is the greatest semi-intelligent function, responsible for the evolution and exquisite fine-tuning of life to its environment. It does not require a brain or motive. Yet it exerts an irresistible guidance toward greater complexity in self-referential awareness in living species and their ability to use the environmental conditions to their advantage.

    No magic, no miracles, just evolving natural patterns of ever greater complexity.....

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    There is a non-zero probability that the EM field of consciousness can find itself to exist beyond living organisms, but within the external world. When the conditions are just right (given one's state of awareness and the degree to which one is absolutely certain of God within one's mind), this consciousness can become actual within one's environment. For example, the unseen cable that exists between the television network and the viewer may be intercepted by a conscious being that distributes over reality at large. In such an event, which requires nothing more than a localized awareness generating the non-localized awareness of God, the God can emerge and function independently within one's environment as though it were responding to the person's thoughts.

    A demon does not have horns and a beard. It is the embodiment of pure negativity.

    My two cents.
     
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  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Have you been rearranging your brain again?

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    My $1:00 worth

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  17. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Believe in metaphor.
     
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    The Butterfly Effect is actually named for the shape of a certain graph depicting solutions to Lorenz's weather equations, the butterfly flapping its wings analogy came later.
     
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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It's a metaphor.....

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    as/re post #68
    perhaps this will help clarify the thought?

    "Hun-tun, that is Chaos, is not to be confused with the chaos as typically seen in the western world as in "chaotic." It is the supreme ideal of Taoism. Chaos is wholeness, oneness and Nature. Chaos represents the natural state of the world. Digging holes on the head of Chaos means destroying the natural state of the cosmos. Therefore, to the ancient Chinese chaos not only has the meaning of disorder but also presents a respectable aesthetic state. Any outcome is based on the Sensitive Dependence on Initial Conditions. Since any given outcome cannot be predetermined with any amount of accuracy without knowing the full string of preceding events it is oft times viewed as Chaos even though it is the natural order of things. This idea of chaos may be very different from its western counterpart."

    from
    http://the-wanderling.com/hun-tun.html
     
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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I believe it is called "probability theory"

    Probability Theory
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_theory

    The exponential function is a property of Probability Theory.

    Exponential distribution

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    .................Probability density function..................................Cumulative distribution function.......
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_distribution#

    And even as Chaos may be the State of Origin, David Bohm proposed a hierarchy of orderings naturally emerging from chaos, based on the principle of "necessity and sufficiency".

    Necessity and sufficiency
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

    Hence my belief in a mathematical Universe, as it is both "necessary and sufficient" for the universe to have evolved as it has.
     
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  22. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I think that the Latter day Saints have ideas somewhat like those of Dr. Albert Einstein. A significant percentage of non-LDS tend to agree with this basic idea.

     

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