Charlie Hebdo attack, Paris, FR

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  1. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    "The Staff". Yes, of course.
    Run run run.

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    So, Tiassa, in light of that little experimental exchange.

    It does rather become apparent that you don't really have terribly many limits when it comes to saying what's on your mind, does it.
    The little foibles people have, that I've given you... quite prepared to use them, aren't you?
    Belief is a powerful thing.

    I am, of course, referring to those limitations on free speech so many here would like to see put in place.
    Where are your high minded ideals now, sunshine? Or do they just apply to everyone other than you?
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    The drunken windbag version of "do you know who I am?"..

    You still haven't figured out that if you want to go out of your way to make yourself look like a dick or, more importantly in this case, be an actual dick, we aren't going to stop you?

    "I am a dick" Exhibit A..

    Coming into a thread about the slaughtering of people by terrorists aligned with and part of ISIS/ISIL and saying this:

     
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  5. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    .... that all just went completely over your head, didn't it, Bells?

    Well, I suppose I can't really lay claim to it having been meticulously planned and executed, and in fact ended up a little clumsy, but still.
    I always thought that when you held the mirror up to the Medusa, it turned itself to stone.
    Such a shame the myths are only that.
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    Like you meticulously planned and executed personally attacking someone's child online?

    "I'm a dick" Exhibit B:

    Then followed it up with:

    Big tough man.. Making offensive and spurious comments about a little girl to her father online.
     
  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, I didn't even notice this.

    Which war is this?

    Well, a gentleman never tells. Why do I keep ending up in your fantasy zone, Tiassa?

    I have no idea what the dating scene is like in Bothell.

    But if all this is just a question of degree, if one accepts that a certain number of hate letters will arrive every week, should they sign for a grenade in the mailbox next?

    Yeees, we do loathe wars when they - or rather their combatants - target reporters. Do you mind if I continue to do so? WRT to your second comment (diverging from the first): Neither criticize crocodiles, nor feed them. Instead, fly into a frothy fit at their opponents on the intertubes. Perhaps if we do nothing and say nothing, they will leave us alone. They will not, but it fits into my hackneyed conceptualizations.

    Nose. Expression. Right to, end of, etc. And? So it is unreasonable to expect that if we criticize anti-abortionists, that none of them will come calling to blow up abortion clinics (or just protest them). If we attack Republicans, it is unreasonable to think that they won't respond by directing automatic fire at Dem party headquarters. And we dare not respond! We dare not express our outrage. Because, well... 'fighting words'. No, no: you don't believe in something so stupid. No, no - it's those other guys that don't. And if they don't, well, tough for you. Don't expect me to cry any. No, no: I hear what you're saying. Be not critical, for there are wolves. If the woodsman had just let ol' Red Riding Hood get eaten and got back to his harvesting, why... well, we wouldn't have any as many little girls, for sure, but then again we'd be taking no risks with our woodsmen either. And that has to count for something, surely.

    You're comparing the experience of rape survivors with that of religious fascists who get made fun of. All right. CH raped the Islamofascists. Someone drew one Mohammed too many, and they had to respond, like Farah Fawcett in The Burning Bed. Well, we can hardly defend free speech now: just look at what those CH fuckers did!

    Congratulations on your belated perspicacity: it was wrong. And who said Saint Charlie? They surely weren't always right, but they sure as hell weren't wrong about criticising religious fascism. See, a more balanced psychology is able to simultaneously applaud CH for their criticisms of the latter while still deploring the former: you should try this balance sometime. You struggle and struggle to achieve this absolute dichotomy, so that you can attach a label to the pesky things and not have to think about them any more. That'll show social complexity what for: we'll just turn and walk away. No, no, we're not talking to you any more. If you want us to turn around and act like an adult, you'll have to arrange an interest-free loan for Political Polarization Now. Hey, I didn't make the rules, buddy.

    Oh, yes, Tiassa: that damn Geoff, making the world worse by obliquely supporting a level of free speech designed to offend religious fascists - which he hates. Oh, how he hates the religiously intolerant! What a swine! And oh so irresponsible with his balanced narrative, spewing hateful reason into the dialectic! And his comments on an obscure internet forum just made it all worse. Someone might see them and feel just awful. Just like all those people protesting gunfire as a response to the baiting of idiots. Those bastards. How dare they make things worse. Is tawdry neo-intellectualism your thing in that you step off serious issues on the wrong foot, or that you like to?

    Yees, victims of religious fascists. They're not Phelps' church. They assaulted the idiocies of religious idiots, and were attacked for it - physically. With respect to the issue, that does make them heroes. You carry that bucket of absolute equivalency out into the desert, though. I bet you can find a buyer there, if there aren't too many chunks.
     
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  9. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    It’s his perverse interest in other people's sex lives, as Bells would say.

    Can I ask you something, Geoff? What do you think about The Marquis?

    When I read Allen Wheelis' work, I thought...damn, he thinks like me. Well, so does The Marquis.
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    It's that or else something for shock or intimidation, or a selection of the above, IMHO. Not to go into the woods, paint my face and beat a drum to the tune of I can't stand my 4x4 payments ('Take back the manhood' or 'Christleaders' or 'Wifethumpers' or whatever the hell that club is), but I wonder how far he'd get with that line against a woman. Ultimately, there's just no need for it and so it's notably egregious.

    Utterly not.

    I have to admit, I hadn't heard of Allen Wheelis until you mentioned him just now so I couldn't compare them. I haven't followed TM very very closely, so I'm probably not the best person to ask, really. If I have time - whenever the hell that will be - I'll check Wheelis out, though his wiki entry sounds offputting. Sort of a depressive perspective, or what exactly? Where do you draw your similarities? (Best PM that back; no need to 'put yourself out here' since it would just be fodder for all kinds of vicious assertions later, from whatever direction seemed most expedient. Mods can read PMs, of course, and probably do, but anyway.)
     
  11. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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