Christianity without devine Jesus?

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  1. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Is there a sect which calls itself Christian (follow Christian bible) without making Jesus into god?
     
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  3. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Jehovah's Witness
     
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  7. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Probably most of today's Unitarian Universalists. Many Anglicans/Episcopalians, Methodists, ELCA Lutherans etc.

    There's a big group of theologically "liberal" Protestants in both the United States and Europe who seem to treat Jesus as some kind of uniquely authoritative sage or philosopher. He might have been uniquely attuned to God, served as God's instrument by channeling God and by doing nothing but God's will, or something like that. But they don't believe that he was literally God.

    I expect that many Roman and Orthodox Catholics think of Jesus the same way.
     
  9. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with your point, but what I was trying to find out is there a sect, rather than individuals, which calls itself Christian without the divinity of Jesus.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You mean Jesus as a secular moral figure, a philosopher?
    What would be Jesus' claim to fame, if it wasn't for "divine intervention"?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_theology
     
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  11. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    That sounds a little like Islam.
     
  12. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    On the other hand, what hope does a person have to live a Christ-like life if Jesus wasn't 100% human?
     
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  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Then he (scripture) should not have claimed to be son of god.

    I hope to live at least as moral as any theist, and I'm an atheist. Be careful with assigning morality to any specific belief system. Almost all scriptural religions are exclusive by definition.
     
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    I am under the impression that Jesus did not claim to be the son of god, but that he was the messiah (still expected by religious Jews). Deification, as I understand it, was by later Christians, starting with Paul.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, from a quick search;
    http://www.christcreated.com/con/bible/contradictions/lord-world/
     
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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And that proves anything? Moreover, does it matter who is wrong here?
    https://www.oneplace.com/ministries...-claim-to-be-god-by-hank-hanegraaff-8825.html

    Not my words. This is a knowledgeable theist speaking. Is he wrong?
     
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  18. mathman Valued Senior Member

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK, shall we strike every verse which has doubtful origins from scripture? Won't be much left....
     
  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    A little bit of arrogance makes Him all the more human.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, that is part of the hubris of daring to compare oneself with a god.

    The truth is, humans are closer to ants than to any possible god that may exist out there. No amount of belief can counter that argument.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Why are you placing obstacles where there exist none? Hope if one can be a good person without being Christian? What kind of question is that?

    Forget Jesus. Ask if one can live a good, moral, productive life without all the trappings of Christianity.

    This is the real problem; The exclusivity of religions which claim that without that specific religion one cannot find "salvation" from our bad, bad, human existence.

    Stop spreading the guilt around. Just espouse humanism, appriciate our privileged existence and contemplate our inescapable obligations to our host, Earth (Gaia).
     
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  23. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Imo Jesus Christ is number 2 in all the Heavens and across the cosmos. No intention to be God at all. Jesus is the son of God.
     

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