Christianity without devine Jesus?

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  1. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Unitarian Universalists are sorta-Christians, I guess. Groups like the Association of Theological Schools (ATS) seem to recognize them as Christian. Historically they are Christian. But...

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Jesus was the son of Mary and an unknown male. Can't make a boy without boy sperm and only boys have boy sperm.
     
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  5. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Mormons tend to have a confused view on Jesus. In their beliefs anyone can eventually become a god and have their own universe. The Jesus character does not appear central to their system, and many who have left the LDS church have noted the few if any references to Jesus in their Church sessions. Some who leave are looking for a more Jesus centrist sect, more like the classical version of Christianity. While LDS pays lip service to the Jesus idea, to appear like a true Christian sect, in practice the role of Jesus in their teachings seems largely irrelevant.
     
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  7. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet and they call him Isa.
     
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  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the inherent flaws in your question inhibits your ability to gain an answer of clarity.

    2 issues
    1 center of belief
    2 the nature of group association of belief as an entity of absolute authority of belief.

    each different version of the bible could be called a sect
    Catholicism & the all the different types of Christianity may all refer to each other as sects.
    some call it abramic from Abraham
    yet still a character in the bible with differing opinions on the placement of divinity etc etc...

    how big is the ocean ?
    big ! has that answered your question ? probably not.

    divinity and godliness are quite different to being god
    by statistical association any sect that defines jesus as an actual god rather than godly is by comparison a sect to the core belief that Jesus is a son OF god.
    not conservative teaching defines the word "sect" not as a measure word to show meaning, but in a derivative to define a negative value.

    child : "hey look mum im swimming, what trick shall i do next ?"
    mother : "congratulations on learning to swim, im proud of you, now get out of the pool and find another that one is a septic tank"
     
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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, that's baaaad.....

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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Similar to that terrible joke about Johnnie who is just a head but wants to go outside and play baseball with other kids as a base runner.

    For years he practices rolling on the floor until he can roll as fast as a kid can run and his mother lets him outside to play with the other kids. Crossing the street he gets promptly run over by a car.

    Which proves the point it is better to quit while you're still ahead.......

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    Hangs head in shame.....

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  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The divinity of Jesus is central to Christianity. You can appreciate merely human Jesus and the Bible as a Jew.
     
  12. Marathon-man Registered Member

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    All Christians make the sign of the cross and say "In the name of God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Ghost", they are acknowledging the Holy Trinity. That concept includes the belief that Yahweh is Christ.
     
  13. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

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    There are Christian sects that don't believe in the Trinity.
     
  14. Marathon-man Registered Member

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    They must not put the sign of the Cross.
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Many Protestants don't.
     
  16. Marathon-man Registered Member

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    Which denominations?
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Baptists, all evangelicals, as far as I know. They believe in the Trinity but they don't make the sign of the cross.
     
  18. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know of any protestant denominations that do. I was raised Methodist and we never made the "sign of the cross". I always considered that to be a "Catholic" thing.
     
  19. Marathon-man Registered Member

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    That must be on a sliding scale because I have seen plenty of Baptists make the sign of the Cross. The moment one does it is an affirmation of the Trinity.
     
  20. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    So - not ALL Christians.
     
  21. Marathon-man Registered Member

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    Which comes back to Christianity and the divinity of Christ. I say it cannot exist without the divinity of Christ.
     
  22. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe there is a supreme arbitrator who is in a position to say who is a Christian. If someone calls him/her-self a Christian, but insists that Jesus was only human, who can say that person is not a Christian?
     
  23. Marathon-man Registered Member

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    I disagree to a point. The Catholic Church defined who was a Christian and who wasn't. Baptism was central to being a Christian. Accepting Christ as God was another but due to the schism formed when the Reformation took place, to the Greek Orthodox Church to the new variations of Christianity including Scientology and the role of Secularism anyone can claim to be a Christian because the concept of being a Christian has been watered down to the point it is meaningless.
     

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