Christians break the Golden Rule when accepting Jesus as savior.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Greatest I am, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    Well, Jesus started breaking laws first. The Golden rule of the conservation of energy, with those five loaves and five fish fingers.
    (Ignoring GR here, which wasn't around back then).
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    five fish fingers

    Were those the ones with the golden crispy crunchy baked bread crumb coating?

    They are nice

    Do you think Donald got his inspiration about crowd sizes from JC?

    GR?

    General Relativity?

    Or

    Golden Rule?

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  5. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Fish fingers work out?

    Strong domestic violence laws?

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  8. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I like compassionate behavior.
    Do you see much of that in Christianity and Islam?

    I do not.
    I see two intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions who do not grant all people equality.

    Do you deny that they have those traits?

    Regards
    DL
     
  9. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I have no religious delusions and do not even believe in the biblical suffering savior although there might have been a Jesus from Nazareth. But that would be just a man and not a God.

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    DL
     
  10. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    You would be right on both counts.

    Seems your morals and reading skills are better than Jesus followers.

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    DL
     
  11. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    If they fly the cross, they are Christians in my book.

    You can cherry pick the few who might not be the scapegoat riding types. I do not have the time.

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    DL
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    You are committing a confirmation bias.
    "I see some behavior that is X. I have associated that behavior with certain traits of the person, therefore the traits cause the behavior and cause it disproportionately."

    Try this: try substituting another group and another behavior. See if that logic holds.

    I see theft and robbery. When I see it, I notice the skin colour of the people. I can now claim that
    a] the skin colour is disproportionately associated with the behavior, and
    b] the skin colour is the cause of the behavior.

    Further,
    c] I ignore any theft and robbery that does not confirm my view.
    d] I decide that correlation (correlation I invented) does imply causation.

    Ah. So this is an anecdote. See above: "I see..." .

    Pretty much like everyone else on the planet - if one is going to generalize.

    I do not deny that humans have those traits.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You believe that Christians "consent to let Jesus suffer for the sins they have done so that they might escape their just punishment." They can't - it already happened. If you believe anything that Christians believe or say can change that, they you are living in a religious delusion.
     
  14. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed, and the vast majority claim to be religious thus religions push those immoral tenets.

    As to my confirmation bias, my bias is indeed confirmed by reality.

    Regards
    DL
     
  15. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    They can as they have to accept Jesus as their personal savior in order to be saved.

    Regards
    DL
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    You do realize that in the case of Jesus H. Baldheaded "Tits" Christ on a Pony, that's a feature, not a bug?

    God's will is God's will is God's will.

    Arius and Athanasius pitched fits over the humanity and divinity of Christ; the resulting Nicene Creed suffices as a workaround.

    As on Earth, so in Heaven; God is Great; all Hosanna unto Him on High.

    No, seriously, there are certainly aspects by which your construction is logically valid, but the wildcard here is God. Not only is this dependence His Will, but He also empowered His children to do strange things like invent the Nicene Creed and make it stick.

    As in Heaven, so on Earth; God is Great; all Hosanna unto Him on High.
     
  17. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    So to you, God can die. Interesting.

    Regards
    DL
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Some do; most don't.

    The Golden Rule is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" not "demand that people in the past have things done to them that you want to have done to you." So once again, it does not apply - unless you live in the sort of delusion where you can go back in time and change things.
     
  19. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    You do know and understand that there are people out in the world who are called sadist

    They enjoy having pain inflicted upon themselves

    So the so called golden rule tells them they have permission to go out and inflict pain on others

    Right?
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Those would be masochists.

    But in any case, pathological sadists (or masochists) don't really care about any sort of moral standards. Often these are criminals.

    The more functional sadists/masochists want others to treat them as they want to be treated, and they want to have the right to consent to such treatment. So, following the golden rule to a person like that would mean obtaining consent before they inflicted pain on others (or had pain inflicted on them) - just as they would ask others to obtain their consent before doing so.
     
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  21. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Lucifer fell because he knew he would be forgiven.
     
  22. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    No no no no

    Don't move the goal post (hope you understand the meaning)

    In this case you're trying to move them closer together

    Narrowing down the definetion

    You even specified ' more functional sadists/masochists ' requiring obtaining and giving consent

    Golden rule does not mention anything about obtaining or giving consent

    Golden rule is at its fundemental base ' a one size fits all ' ' cure all ' fix

    Simple pap to feed masses when complicated questions are asked

    Designed to short-circuit discussion by deflecting the question back to the questioner and having the questioner reflect on their own values

    The effect is the questioner inserts their values which has a flow on effect of the questioner providing the answer themselves and agreeing with themselves

    Further the pap golden rule is correct for everyone (everyone agrees with themselves) leading to the impression the provider of the pap to appear all wise and all knowing

    Did you hear what he said about treating others as you like them to treat you?

    Yes so wise


    No one ask the other how the other likes to be treated

    A few such discussions would soon expose the range of treatments preferred so the pap golden rule is exposed as pap

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  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Correct. "Treat others as you wish to be treated" is basically it. Masochists, in general, do not wish that people walk up and punch them in the face; they wish to find a partner willing to hurt them after they consent to it. Therefore, they would treat others this way if they chose to follow that golden rule.
     

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