Nope... I have been referring to a genuine universe as one that may be deterministic. There are so many versions of determinism all attempting to reconcile observed reality and yet here you are not attempting to do so at all. Simply arguing an abstraction with out any relevance to reality is not what this thread is about. You say "We" have assumed a deterministic universe and indeed we have but a real one not a fantasy one. As usual you fail to see the point and divert to a strawman. I can only assume you are intelligent enough to know the difference between reality based determinism and fantasy based determinism...and that you are deliberately attempting to cross-purpose.