Common misconceptions about Islam

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well its good to see the scientific discussion in the comparative religion forum is so different from the usual nonsense in the religion forum. heh
     
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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Shadow never understands my posts. Heh Heh

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  5. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    you meant that what i'm saying is all bullshits

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  7. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Which would further disqualify that war as much of an example of Christian-motivated statecraft.
     
  8. charles brough Registered Senior Member

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    One, two, three, four . . . is that all?

    1. The faith also includes Persians.

    2. They also claim Mohammad was "perfect" and that he took a visit up to "heaven" and visited with Jesus and "god." What does one have to believe to classify it as "worshiping?"

    3. The Qu'ran came from notes taken of his sayings before his death. Then it was organized (somewhat) into the Qu'ran. To believe the Muslim god wrote it is an act of faith.

    4. A Muslim is someone who believes what other Muslims believe. Much of it is not even in the Qu'ran. Muslims in parts of Islam chew kat leaves a mild narcotic, practice slavery and mutilate girl's pubic areas. Is any of that in the Qu'ran?

    Islam has had a great history. Its civilization once dominated much of the world and it created a great age of science and prosperity---up until about 1200 AD however. Then it went into decline.

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  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I think the Holocaust--the culmination of the thousand years of antisemitism that was one of the defining traits of European Christendom--pretty firmly qualifies WWII as Christianity at its peak.
     
  10. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    actually, to other earthes in other univerces, and yes threw wormhole

    the quotes, or whatever, are not in the quran.... :bugeye:

    no... a muslim is who beleive that there's no god but allah (allah also means god, so, there's no god but god, means, there's none but god) and mohamed is he's prophet
    and islam, is based on quran, means, it's the source of the beleifs of that relegion, and what is forbidden and what's not, and etc...
    islam, the relegion is against slavery, or forcing anyone on anything...
    and ....

    Islam has had a great history. Its civilization once dominated much of the world and it created a great age of science and prosperity---up until about 1200 AD however. Then it went into decline.
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    go read history, and science and etc... was always something that have been passed from a civilisation to another, once greece and rome, once the muslim countries, like baghdad, andalus, kairouan, cairo, etc... and then europe, and etc.. always in history civilisations fell and rised...
     
  11. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    Oh great, a new Mega fanatic/racist on sciforums
    there was sandy here before, and ended up being banned
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    And EFC.
     
  13. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    In the first place: the Holocaust is something that happened during WWII, but was not the war itself. The issue was both world wars, taken together - and it's difficult to see those as anything other than Christian-on-Christian politics conflicts, even if certain parties did also oppress the Jews during the latter war. if Shadow had wanted to refer to the Holocaust, he would have said that, and not "the World Wars."

    In the second place: the Holocaust (and World Wars) was as much about the rise of ethnic nationalism as anything to do with "Christendom." The defining political feature of "European Christendom" was monarchism, cutting across ethnic and national lines. The Holocause is what happened after that system had been replaced, and represented ethnic nationalism's attempt to assert itself by redrawing the ethnic make-up of Europe along consolodated lines.
     
  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Do you feel the Armenian Holocaust falls into the same niche?
     
  15. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    I'll give you supremacist but good luck trying to prove he was a fanatic or a racist.
     
  16. RWahdy Registered Member

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    Hmm, great topic. I personally feel that the confusion surrounding Islam comes from two things-- an outside perspective at the inside (Non-Islamic Media trying to "explain Islam" in Christian/Jewish/etc values and ideas) and the fact that there is no one central authority for Muslims.

    But let's be honest.

    1- Belief is only obliged on the believing. Muslims don't expect non-Muslims to share the same religious views. But that's how nearly all religions are. I'm fairly certain that a Buddhist doesn't expect for me to follow their rules/laws-- but that a "practicing buddhist" will try his or her best to follow their rules/laws as best they can.

    2- SHARIA IS ONLY FOR MUSLIMS. It is the code of conduct/religious values. It is an equivalent of Kosher. In fact, it is the Kosher of Muslims. Sharia describes a Muslim and explains what they ought to or ought not to do.

    Now, sharia is applied through what are called "fatwa"-- AKA, legal ruling/verdict based usually on a precendent "usul." The entirety of these make up "fiqh" or laws. You will see that the Islam practiced in Pakistan is radically different than the one practiced in Saudi Arabia or Malaysia. In fact, there are competing groups within Nations that preach different forms of Islam.

    Essentially, Sharia is the code for Muslims, which is explained and maintained by scholars who issue legal opinions pertaining to situations. For example-- can a Muslim eat glass that is prepared with a dash of grease? It is for the practicing Muslims to follow.



    I'll add more to this later on. It's already 1 am, though!
     
  17. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    Race doesn't enter into it, since the question is about religion. As for fanatic, I think I would call anyone with opinions too tightly allied with the legal firm of Mawdudi, Qutb and Adolf to be fanatical in their attitudes.
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    But you'll recognize that Islamic, where it enters the legal code of an Islamic country, becomes law for everyone, including blasphemy statues and public religious observance. It would be difficult to imagine any reasonable secular more attached to such strictures. So in that sense, it is for everyone, and this is the problem.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Does it? Where in the world is sharia law applied to non-Muslims? In which country? Also, what is your personal opinion about laws? Should all people in a country follow the same law? US laws are not based on native American law, they are based on European legal systems which are derived from the church. Should they apply to everyone?
     
  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Islamic perspectives on law are applied to non-Muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and a host of other countries from cases I can't even recall. Sam: don't be disingenuous, okay? It's too early in the morning for that.

    And your accidental digression about everyone following the same law - particularly as this must include laws pertaining to religious observance - pretty much proves my point. Which it wasn't actually too early for.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Now all you have to do is name one law from sharia which is applied differently to Muslims than to non-Muslims in any country of your choice. Go ahead. Personally, I don't see a problem with having different laws in one country, for example, there seems to be no point in applying Judeo-Christian laws to native Americans who have their own legal systems. But I am interested in your viewpoint. Do you think non-Muslims should have their own system of law in Muslim dominant countries? Do you think Muslims should have their own legal systems in non-Muslim countries?

    You're a Christian of European origin but you seem content to impose your religion, laws and politics on native Americans so I don't think you believe in minorities having their own systems. But maybe you do?
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Buh-blam

    Blasphemy law, Pakistan.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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