Consciousness & Intelligence

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by Dinosaur, May 26, 2018.

  1. mmatt9876 Registered Senior Member

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    So it seems that human and animal behaviors are most likely always conscious but at the same time either intelligent or instinctual.
     
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  3. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    Any animal that can dream can do this. That is why I believe dogs are conscious, they have dreams.

    However I am not certain dogs are conscious nor am I certain other humans, even my friends, are conscious. I may very well be the only conscious being in the universe.
     
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  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I think all animals are conscious. I don't think most animals understand the concept of tomorrow.
     
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  7. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think that consciousness and intelligence are linked/connected. Consciousness is mere awareness. You can be aware of your surroundings, but not very intelligent.
     
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  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Is it?

    Is a bacteria aware of its surroundings? (Yes.)
    Is it conscious?
     
  9. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    No, but they're responsive. So there are similarities to conscious behaviors, but I'd not consider them conscious. But, maybe someday.
     
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  10. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I think you're on to something.
     
  11. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Are you thinking of Trump, too?

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  12. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    He claims to be a genius (super smart). What do you think?
     
  13. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    If you have to tell people that you're super smart, you're likely not. He's not stupid, but definitely not a genius. lol

    His high opinion of himself, is he over compensating, do you think?
     
  14. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I think he does it to stir the pot, a form of self-promotion. Obama was an eight-year-yawn.
     
  15. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    And the ability to apply new solutions to old problems....
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Barely. They are capable of quorum sensing and responding to external stimuli.
    Proto-conscious?
     
  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Well at least the alive ones
    They have more than a pure reaction response to external stimulate

    Is a bacteria aware of its surroundings? (Yes.)
    No
    Is it conscious?
    No
    Only has reactionary response, has no idea of surroundings
    Proto-conscious?

    Not even close

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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What would you call quorum sensing? The hive-mind which is greater than the sum of its parts.
    What about the single celled slime-mold? Have you seen what they can do without a brain?
    It's really astounding. All without a brain, but the entire body is sentient (sensitive to stimulation).


    And here is the source of any intelligent processing.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8044849

    And the new direction of research into quantum biology. Good stuff!

     
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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Bog standard built in reaction
    Like a landslide, conditions suitable soil will remain in place
    Conditions changed, lots of land, wait for it, slides
    Not a sensitive quantum in sight

    Just like the land in the aforementioned slide

    Cousins in earthquakes and distant relatives volcanic ash much the same same

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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right, landslides are not biological organisms reacting to external information. They merely react to external force. That's not sensing and acting on sensory information.
    No, you are not talking about biological systems where information is used to the benefit of the organism. You are citing purely physical conditions affecting everything in that environment.

    That's not "sensing", which involves sensory processing. Quorum sensing is a reactive process of intra-species and inter-species communication between living species, not an inert object subject to a random external force.

    Rolling down a hill is not quorum sensing by the rock, that's gravity.

    OTOH, a slime-mold searching for food is a motivated action which involves sensing and finding the most efficient way to establish a feeding network. Sometimes they even climb uphill.......

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