Conservation of souls?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Jun 19, 2018.

  1. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm a firm believer that life is the rudder that steers the boat. Not everyone will be rich, not everyone can succeed in school, not everyone will avoid cancer. I can't speak for others. For me, I want to be thankful for every moment I draw a breath. Rather than brooding over those things I don't have, I am thankful for those things I do have. All of it will come to an end eventually, but while I'm here, I'm the richest man in the world.
     
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  3. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    They were alive.
    Were you thinking of something else?
     
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  5. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Thats my point with regard special pleading... at some point someone comes up with an ancestor / cause that has none.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, according to Hazen our initial parents emerged through self-assembly of bio-molecules from bio-chemicals, in the form of self-replicating polymers.
     
  8. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Surrender to the universe? What the hell does that even mean?
     
  9. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Did he say surrender to the universe or surrender to God?
     
  10. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you in the back, in the bow-tie?
    Indeed.
    The BB is just mainstream science's best view of what gave rise to the universe.
    What actually caused the BB to occur... even more wild speculation abounds (the one I seem to see most often is the interaction of branes, which apparently some reckon we might be able to detect...?) but then what gives rise to that, and to that, and to that... until you're standing on the back of turtles that go all the way down.

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  11. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, but then you get to how those bio-chemicals came about, and from there backwards.
    "It's no use, Mr. James - it's turtles all the way down."
    At some point someone will invoke a "cause of all" that is immune to such "turtling".
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Do you think that you can take actions to increase your odds of succeeding in school or avoiding cancer? Or is everything 100% out of your hands?
     
  13. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    We have already determined that he calls the universe "god".
     
  14. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    You can make efforts to succeed, yes. But if you destined to be hit by a bus tomorrow, there isn't much you can do about it.
     
  15. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Stop trying to control life.
     
  16. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    True, they were alive, but they also shared the same awareness that everyone has. It's the same for all, doesn't discriminate.
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That's a particularly bad example. You can certainly be more careful than usual around buses. In the extreme, you can stay home, where bus-related fatalities are rare.
     
  18. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Gave up that a long time ago. I tend to go with the flow. Every now and then I may try to divert the flow, but that's seldom successful.
     
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  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed!
    ?? You can look both ways before you cross the street.
    Now you seem to be saying that you don't have any control over life. And that is one of the big problems with religion - that it tempts people to believe that they are not in control of their own lives. "Why bother exercising if I could get hit by a bus tomorrow?" "Why go to school when the goal is to just surrender?"
     
  20. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    No one is saying not to interact with life. No one is saying don't try. Just don't be surprised if your best plans don't take you where you thought you were going. If we learn to roll with life rather than compete with, things are easier.
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, OK. When you said "Stop trying to control life" I thought you meant to not try.
    Agreed there. Like the old prayer says:

    Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
    The courage to change the things I can,
    And the wisdom to know the difference.
     
  22. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    The point is we can fall over dead at any time, and eventually we will. I can make the most extravagant plans for life, but in the end they will be not. That's not fatalism, just a matter of fact. What I find is that life brings some really nice things, even when you are not trying.
     
  23. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    There's nothing wrong with effort. If you want to accomplish something, it will require effort. It's that the plan rarely fits into life's results. I've seen people who mapped their careers and realized their goal, only to find it was not so grand.
     

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