Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Quantum Quack, Jan 29, 2020.

  1. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Surely wine exports will be okay??? Please tell me that wine exports won't be affected?! You can't joke about things like that. Marlborough sauvignon blanc is... is... a necessity! It's an essential, along with fresh bread and coffee. So please don't scare me... Please say it won't be affected? Please??

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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    I'm more a South Australian and Western Australian wine fan personally.. Current favourite:

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    I stocked up (my kids asked me if I was an alcoholic as I bought a case - but they don't understand that I did this in case something happened to the grapes - bought for preservation [of my sanity during the trying times]).. So I'm good..

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    However, New Zealand exports were and will be affected for a while.. Not sure if wine is classified as "essential".

    https://www.mpi.govt.nz/protection-and-response/coronavirus/exporting-during-the-covid-19-emergency/

    So..

    Ermm..

    Hope you stocked up..
     
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  5. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Australian is nice enough... some good vineyards around the Margaret river. But NZ SB is my goto for any occasion. And if your kids asked if you were an alcoholic for buying just a case... they'd be positively abhorred by how much I buy at a time!
    Yes. It is. No dispute. Absolutely. It can't not be. Has to be. Definitely is. Uh huh. Yes. Completely essential. Life simply can not exist without it. In fact I am convinced that the first life on this planet formed in a pool of NZ sauvignon blanc.

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    I have enough to last for a while longer. Not until NZ open their borders again, though.

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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I am pretty sure that the only thing preventing NZ from exporting wine is having enough people working to pick the grapes. Which is being solved presently I believe. Similar to the Australian wine fields. Grapes rotting on the vines due to a major disruption in finding skilled pickers to pick them.
    The point being that NZ and Australian border closures do not prevent export. ( as far as I know)

    so do not fret...
    Both AU and NZ are keen to export their wine...
    Given the dire economic statement delivered recently we simply have to.
     
  8. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Will Trump lost election due to Covid-19?
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Only if the bothsiders and Republicans suddenly get a clue.

    As things are going now, he may win the election due to Covid-19. It can help the Republicans rig the vote, or even postpone the election.

    Meanwhile, an example of what happens when those in charge of public health do not understand exponential growth;
    From the NYT, reporting on a recent University study of the US Covid response as overseen by Trump:
    And as we all know, had the US maintained its former First World capabilities to respond with test development and trace/isolate procedures,
    or simply cooperated with others who were better prepared,
    thousands of people who were killed or injured as side effects of the rapid spread, lockdowns, and various disruptions contingent on lack of information and inability to target responses,

    would not have been.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It is discouraging to see deceptive and insinuative crap like that receive "likes" and approval from the educated classes.
    1) There isn't. Compared with Seattle (rather than a more useful resort to more valid evidence, because this comparison is from wingnut media) NY got less warning, did not respond as well to the warning, probably had a significantly higher exposure from overseas, and has a higher proportion of the racial and other demographic groups hardest hit for various reasons. Those are far more likely factors - even before the statistical stuff , or even just the"per capita" aspect, weighs in.
    2) The rightwing reliance on anonymous personal experience (to the point settling all issues for them, and so necessary it will be invented if not on hand) is a field mark. Acronym MOE (My Own Eyes).
    3) The generally available (because lots of people chipped in and made them, in my area) social masks apparently reduce one's exposure and likelihood of infection/transmission by as much as 75%. They are not adequate for medical situations, of course, but that doesn't mean they don't help the regular citizen - a lot.
    4) The new case numbers do not appear to be going down (without testing we have to rely on proxy data, but it's pretty clear). That people would "take advantage" was of course the reason for the rules in the first place, and the reason relaxing them in our current state of ignorance is almost certain to go badly.

    There will be dead people, he means. And people scarred/crippled for life. And a second wave of pandemic, in the US.
    The "learning curve" will measure how long it takes for people like Seattle to realize they are still being lied to, by the same people who have been lying to them their entire adult lives.
    5) MOE
    Shortages have afflicted others, significantly, throughout the US - that is well known, documented, etc.
    6) The unemployment rate alone - never mind the underemployment rate, inverse employment rate, etc - has already risen to Depression levels. That is not an "issue", but a disaster.
    Those people have not been compensated "better than they have ever been compensated before", in general.

    Don't forget that in addition to having the President kick them off the unemployment rolls, many have lost medical care - the US system is employer based. That is of course insanely stupid in the middle of a contagion - which partly explains why a very large majority of Americans favor some kind of socialized medical insurance, just as this post I am fisking shows partly why they can't have it.

    Although the suitably virtuous and high achieving members of the "skilled" class may be correct for once, and accurately assessing their chances of unemployment, they will find that the 2/3 majority of the citizenry
    who doesn't understand why the guy who can rebuild a carburetor but not format a PDF doc is unskilled in comparison with someone who can format a PDF doc but not rebuild a carburetor
    also lacks a satisfactory explanation for why the various miseries of this pandemic are not duly shared by those most responsible for its unnecessary severity,
    and why their impoverishment is to be put in "perspective", while the defended prosperity of irresponsible others is held to be their just due.
    7) MOE
    8) It would indeed. Starting with less of the Republican media feed bs. Much less.
     
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  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    [QUOTE="iceaura, post: 3636373, member: 27090"
    Although the suitably virtuous and high achieving members of the "skilled" class may be correct for once, and accurately assessing their chances of unemployment, they will find that the 2/3 majority of the citizenry
    who doesn't understand why the guy who can rebuild a carburetor but not format a PDF doc is unskilled in comparison with someone who can format a PDF doc but not rebuild a carburetor
    [/QUOTE]
    Carburetor? What cars still use carburetors? You need to at least update your union talking points. It's embarrassing.
     
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I would like to see other qualified studies done to determine the degree of culpability and negligence that appears on the surface to be well founded and significant.
    A class action against the current federal administration may be possible do you think?
     
  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    ....thereby vastly increasing the opportunity for further wild animal viruses to jump the species barrier and infect man.

    Good plan!
     
  14. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    Actually I think I can take issue with "vastly increasing" the risk of new viral diseases jumping the species barrier.

    Which is, if you follow your logic, that all countries which have facilities where animals are kept close together, are vastly increasing the risk of new diseases (not just viral ones) appearing.

    They should keep people away from them or close them. Get rid of all the dairy and sheep farms for starters, close all those poultry farms, reduce the possibility of human-animal contact by making domestic pets illegal . . .

    On the other hand, just accept that all animals can carry diseases, and sometimes humans get infected from animal contact. Seeing how we've lived with that since we began domesticating animals, like say, dogs.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    ("r") It doesn't seem to, for some reason. Neither does "k", the forgotten number that covers the other aspect of spreading. (The "k" value for Covid is fueling a lot of discussion among the modelers - it's not nearly as high as was thought, apparently. Spreaders are, apparently, sparse. That opens a few doors for testing and tracing, treatment, and long term adjustment that does not oppress as much.

    Meanwhile: People in San Francisco live at high density, similar to New York - but their Covid stats look much more like Seattle's than like New York City's.
    This article is about why:
    https://www.propublica.org/article/...y-10-times-the-number-of-deaths-as-california
     
  16. river

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    AGREED

    VIRUSES ADAPT . Viruses apadt . The question is , how , why or why , how . And what form of bacteria(s) is associated with any virus .
     
  17. river

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    Yup.

    trump is an Old man , with Old ideas . With , NO Sympathy , NO Empathy for the everyday people .
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Imagine how obsessed this guy has to be with my personal circumstances, to keep posting like that for months.

    I've been trying to talk him into starting a thread on the topic


    Meanwhile, not that anyone really cares, but dude: There are lots of carburetors. There's one on a lawn mower in the garage that needs rebuilding right now (old gas), another on my neighbor's classic car that is in perfect working order, one on a tractor I decided not to buy, another two on a motorcycle I was taking care of a bit ago, and so forth.

    That's just the gasoline engines, and within a couple hundred yards.
    No surprise if carburetors are still being rebuilt when PDF documents have gone the way of VisiCalc.

    Btw: did you reread the post for meaning, or just blow off the whole thread/discussion/forum communication thing in the joy of finding another opportunity to troll?

    It wasn't me who posted that things weren't so bad, because the virus was mostly destroying unskilled jobs and unskilled lives. I was the guy who pointed out that the "unskilled" - by that criterion - were something like 2/3 of the citizenry; and they had been betrayed by their government.

    Things are pretty bad, in other words. Even the skilled - newly defined as those who can phone in their jobs - are going to be suffering.
     
  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I do realize that you and Quantum Quack are awfully worried about this. I'm concerned but not obsessed by it. I don't think it's a big problem in your neck of the woods (plains) is it?

    Even Seattle is starting to open up in a 4 phase plan. The numbers have gone down from the peak but due to more testing the numbers haven't fallen (new cases) as much as one would like.

    We are going to have to find better ways to adjust to the current reality. Posting rants day after day does nothing to help in that regard. Your posts also aren't very effective because all you do is rant about some subject and as you know the boy who cried wolf found that not to be the best plan.

    We don't really need a lot of carburetor skilled people. Yes, old cars and lawnmowers may have them but so what. It's not hard to run gas with cleaner added though a lawnmower and if that doesn't work, it's actually not hard to remove the carburetor and soak the parts in carb cleaner.

    I just did that myself for the reason you mentioned, old gas left in over the winter caused surging lawnmower. Compared to many people, I have no skills in this area other than the ability to watch a YouTube video and then perform the task.

    That's the problem with having low skills, those jobs are the first to be reduced. It's the same with cutting hair for a living. I cut my own hair and after this isolation more people have learned to do that and many won't be going back to have that done.

    These are issues that need to be addressed virus or no virus. Retail people are hit the hardest (other than grocery store clerks) but they were being hit hard before the virus. People don't go to as many retail stores anymore. Those people are going to have to adjust.

    The solution isn't to change the world to fit those who aren't adapting well. The solution is to help them adapt. Your approach is to treat them as dumb cattle who can't do anything else.

    Is that potential new tractor going to ultimately justify its price?
     
  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    hmmm...interesting.. comment..
     
  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Well-... it has been at least 5 days since we started relaxing lock down here in Australia..since people basically ignored social distancing en mass in many places.
    So far, fingers crossed, there has been no sign of a second wave..
    A lack of case blow out after 5-10 day incubation period would suggest that we have missed the bullet ...
    The next 5 days will consolidate that assessment hopefully.
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know. Things could go terribly wrong or at least something else very bad would happen.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed. In addition, I would add that it's really pretty easy to learn how to maintain and fix carburetors, so the skill is not that critical overall. Not like skilled reactor operators, where you really can't learn it one weekend when you need to because your reactor is on the fritz.

    Further, if there's a problem employing enough carburetor repairmen, perhaps the best solution is to get them retrained in fuel injector or EV maintenance.
     

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