Could the universe be just part of some bigger "living" lifeform?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by noope, Jul 19, 2011.

  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    What has your stage name got to do with anything?

    I understand guitar player Uppity left your band because you were to tight and cold as granite

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Have a reputation to protect......,

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    I fired Uppity cause he was a stoner, not a rocker...

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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Either way we are talking about an abstract functional concept. The "ghost of Mathematics" or the "spirit of Mathematics" are identical as metaphors for the "function of Mathematics". There is no substantive difference in conceptuality.
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    You win

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  9. river

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    The Universe has both life and energy ( cold and hot ) , and matter .
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Life and energy are fundamentally the same thing.
     
  11. river

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    Give an example .
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Life is the ultimate expression of energy. Energy is information and starts at a basic and very simple information processing at the sub-atomic atomic level. Life and living things are the most complex evolved forms of energetic information processing.
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Sorry to bang on about this again, but energy is just a number. It's not stuff that can create anything or do anything. Therefore, life can't be an expression of energy. Energy can be associated with life, certainly, but only in respect of specific descriptions of some of the functions of life.

    Energy is information, but only in the same sense that the number 6 is information.

    There are no "basic" and "complex" forms of energy. Energy is energy.

    Yes, life uses energy in complex ways. Life is complicated. But life isn't caused by energy.
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree that energy is a mathematical value and function, but IMO, it is considerably more complicated than as you state it.

    What are the 12 forms of energy?
    https://www.solarschools.net/knowledge-bank/energy/types

    In my Mathematical Universe those are important potentials in the formation of the universe in general and life in particular.

    Can you give me a definition of what is causal to life?

    Remember my perspective in agreement with Tegmark, that all reality rests on "relative values and mathematical functions".......

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  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Of course not. Nobody can, yet.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Then how can we out-of-hand dismiss something as fundamental to the universe as "energy", the dynamic part ?
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I haven't dismissed the importance of energy. I'm only saying that there's no mystical significance to energy. The thread topic, remember, is to discuss the idea that the universe is one big lifeform, or something. That idea doesn't make much sense to me.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, I agree.
    IMO, while there is nothing mysterious about life and living things, it's preposterous to suggest that the universe is a biological pattern.

    I addressed that question in post # 30.
     

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