Could trump be the antichrist?

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  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Has there been any conspiracy theories regarding trump and correlation with biblical revelations?

    Russia and the US.
    Israel
    Etc

    Anyone know?

    This is more for fun but im curious about any coincidences.

    I do know he is supposed to be a politician and promise great things but bring division, war etc gaining power. The 666 besides representative of nero, metaphorically represents similar agendas as the extreme right; their way or the highway etc after they control the world oppressing everyone unlike them.
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Why don't you start one? It would be funny, as typically it is those on the extreme right to try to make out that centre-left or liberal people and institutions are the AntiChrist. I recall someone suggesting the Secretary-General of the UN might be. And also I think the president of the EU.

    This website is rather good, I think: http://www.signs-of-end-times.com/end-times-news.html

    I specially liked this entry:
    "The European Union needs a military headquarters to work towards a common military force, the Commission president has told MEPs in Strasbourg ... The Brexit vote has given added impetus to plans for greater defence co-operation ... Mr Juncker said a common military force should be in complement to Nato."

    One guess as to which church the EU commission president belongs to? Yes, the Roman Catholic Church! In Revelation 17, we are told that the 'kings of the earth' give their POWER unto the beast, and the formation of a united military front in Europe will be a fulfillment of that prophecy. And once the Roman Catholic Church has the military backing, plus the support of America, her 'earth beast' companion from Revelation 13, then the mark of the Roman Catholic Church can be enforced.

    Friends, we are living in the last days, and the final events are soon to break upon us. Please make sure you are building your faith in Christ right now, because it is only through our faith that we will be able to go through the tribulation to come. And no, don't be putting your hopes in a false rapture!"

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  5. wellwisher

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    Daniel 11:21, might appeal to the Never Trumpsters and Liberals who see themselves as the victim.

    “He (previous prince) will be succeeded by a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty. He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure, and he will seize it through intrigue.22 Then an overwhelming army will be swept awaybefore him; both it and a prince of the covenant will be destroyed.23 After coming to an agreement with him, he will act deceitfully, and with only a few people he will rise to power.24 When the richest provinces feel secure, he will invade them and will achieve what neither his fathers nor his forefathers did. He will distribute plunder, loot and wealth among his followers. He will plot the overthrow of fortresses—but only for a time.
     
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  7. birch Valued Senior Member

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    You just pick and choose verses that fit your narrative or more like not? Trump said he could pay off the deficit just by taxing the top one percent. Actually that is direct, clean fuking sane justice BUT even revelations said he will do some good works to gain a following and then turn. So many twists.

    I did some research (lol) and he doesnt appear to be the antichrist but a mini-me.
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Nick (spellbound) claimed I was the anti Christ ...could he have been wrong?

    Why look to a book written by superstitious ancients making up crap that can fit any interpretation you care to make up.

    In science predictions have to be spot on and if not that particular theory goes in the trash which is where revelations for one should go.

    If revelations is to believed it should have names addresses dates and specifics.

    Lies...don't deal in lies.

    Alex
     
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  9. river Valued Senior Member

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    Trump is business man not a politician, which was one of his draw backs ; lack of political experience .
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Wait. Alex and Trump are the same person?
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I am not beating a wife I do not have.

    Look people come up to me all the time when I am wandering around the shopping center and say...

    "Don't I know you? Yes yes you are the anti Christ...hey George its the anti Christ get a photo of us together for god sake"....

    Alex
     
  12. wellwisher

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    The number 666, of the anti-Christ, is based on numerology. In numerology, each letter of the alphabet is given a number as shown below. We assign the number for each letter in the name, then these numbers are added. If the sum is double digit, we add the two number and reduced it one number. As an example, Trumps is T=2 + R=9 + U=3 + M=4 + P=7 = 2+9+3+4+7=25. We then add the two numbers of 25 as 2+5= 7. Trump is 7 not 6.

    His full name is Donald John Trump. You can do Donald=23=2+3=5. John=20=2+0=2

    His name number is 527. He does not have the name number of the Anti-Christ.

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  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Hee hee.

    That's the first time I've ever seen numerology to debunk a woo connection.

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  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    666 is FOX.
     
  15. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, in theory. If people and institutions can formally pretend he's a POTUS then they could similarly treat him as if he's a Wizard Of Oz or a Captain Hook. The problem would be a movement of the antichrist interpretation acquiring enough followers to either informally or even outright officially make that identity projection significant enough to yield effects / consequences, or carry weight.
     
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  16. Goliathus Registered Member

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    I think he very well might be :[ he is lunatic, maybe he was just acting to get to presidential spot though

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  17. Kapyong Writer Registered Senior Member

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    Gday all

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    Wow ! I was just reading up about that very thing - here is my summary of what I found. BTW - every single quote here is genuine and word-correct - BUT I have added capitals to bring out the hidden meanings

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    The Trump of God at the End of the World

    I just read in the King James Bible this shocking passage about the end of world according to Paul -

    " For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and The TRUMP of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first. " (Paul, 1 Thess. 4:16, KJV)​

    Does that mean the end of the world will start with The Trump of God ? Along with the 'dead in Christ ' ?

    Roman Lucan, a contemporary of Paul, left this possible allusion in his epic Pharsalia (The Civil War) -

    " And scarcely armed for war, a dissonant crowd Barbaric, that will start to hear our TRUMP, Nay, their own clamour. Not in civil strife Your blows shall fall -- the battle of to-day Sweeps from the earth the enemies of Rome. Dash through these cowards and their vaunted kings: One stroke of sword and all the world is yours. " (Book 7, 320)​

    Seneca too, another Roman contemporary of Paul, left a strange allusion -

    " Any man, even if he does not stain, asperses the reputation of a superior by complaining of him; and no one is content to TRUMP up light accusations, since he seeks to win belief by the very magnitude of his lie. " (On Benefits, VII)​

    Notably, the 2nd C. Christian author Hippolytus, in his book ' The AntiChrist ' refers back to Paul's comment about The Trump of God at the end of the world -

    " For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and the voice and TRUMP of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first. " (The Antichrist, 66)​

    This passage drew the attention of Christian writers from the 3rd C. such as Methodius in 'The Banquet of the Ten Virgins', as well as critics such as Celsus attacking Origen, and Porphyry's 'Against The Christians' (in which he calls it an 'astounding and perverted ' remark.)

    So too the influential 2nd C. Roman Christian writer Tertullian (the first to write in Latin) who had even more to say -

    " It is the transformation these shall undergo which he explains to the Corinthians, when he writes: ' We shall all indeed rise again (though we shall not all undergo the transformation) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at The Last TRUMP ' - for none shall experience this change but those only who shall be found in the flesh. " (The Resurrection of the Flesh, Ch. XLII.)​

    He even compares The Trump of God to the word of the gospel -

    " For, allowing that the word of the gospel may be called ' The TRUMP of God,' ... "
    (Ch. XXIV.)​



    Augustine and The Trump of God

    By the fourth century, The Trump of God (aka the last Trump) was standard Catholic doctrine, preached by Ambrose of Milan, Cyril of Jerusalem, Gregory of Nyssa, Macarius Magnes, Rufinus Tyrannius and John Chrysostom. The great Augustine the Hippo has much to say about the end of the world and The Last Trump, e.g. -

    " ... because this hour shall be hereafter, because this hour shall be at the end of the world, because this shall be the last hour, shall be at The Last TRUMP. " (Sermon LXXVII, 14)

    " What afterward? What in the end? How conquereth the Body of Christ? By heavenly aid. ' For the Lord Himself shall come with the voice of the Archangel, and with The TRUMP of God shall He descend from heaven' " (Exposition on the Psalms, (Psalm CXLIV, 10)​

    Aurelius Prudentius of the 5th C. had a darker view of The Trump - around Christmas time too -

    " Vain all thy tears, when loud shall sound The TRUMP, when flames shall scorch the ground, When from its hinge the cloven world is loosed, in horrid tumult hurled. " (Hymns, XI. Hymn For Christmas-Day)​

    John Cassian mentioned The Trump, and Severus of Antioch quotes Gregory the Theologian as saying -

    " I await the voice of the archangel, The Last TRUMP, the transformation of heaven, the changing of the earth, the emancipation of the elements, the renovation of the whole world. " (Severus, Letter XXVII, 203)​

    Even the strange work Barlaam & Ioasaph mentions The Trump. This book started as a life of Buddha in Sanskrit in the 2nd - 4th C. then went through a Manichean version, then became the Arabic Kitab Bilawhar wa-Yudasaf (Book of Bilawhar and Yudasaf) of the 8th C. which spread to Middle Eastern Christians. The first Christian version was in Georgian called Balavariani around the 10th C. then a Georgian monk, Euthymius of Athos, translated the story into Greek, which was translated into Latin in 1048 to become Barlaam & Ioasaph. This helps to explain how Sanskrit Boddhisattva became Latin Josaphat (through Persian Bodisav, Arabic Budhasaf or Yudasaf, Georgian Iodasaph, Greek Ioasaph to Latin Iosaphat or Josaphat) -

    " Then, after long seasons, Christ our God shall come to judge the world in awful glory, beyond words to tell; and for fear of him the powers of heaven shall be shaken, and all the angel hosts stand beside him in dread. Then, at the voice of the archangel, and at The TRUMP of God, shall the dead arise and stand before his awful throne. " (VIII)​

    Will the dead really arise and stand before Trump's awful throne ?

    Is this Augustine's "end of the world" ?

    Is it really "the transformation of heaven, the changing of the earth, the emancipation of the elements, the renovation of the whole world " ?


    Kapyong
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    If they don't would that not be a good time to give up on biblical prophecy.
    Alex
     
  19. BrianHarwarespecialist We shall Ionize!i Registered Senior Member

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    I think the antichrist is sopposed to be highly intelligent...lol but then again his chief advisor said Dick Cheney is true power and so is satan, plus his son in law lives on 666 avenue I think something like that, plus Putins new bomb that can kill 3 million people is called the satan. I wonder if Putin is going to drop the bomb? Hmm I wonder who Putin will choose to drop it on so interesting??
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    If so, let's hope Christ does not return in the next few years. That much Christ and anti-Christ annihilating each other could easily vaporize half the Earth.
     
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  21. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    Not being a religious person it is somewhat hard for me to say this but the answer is Yes. Oh, and God help us!
     

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