Countrys that will be changed by climate change

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by RainbowSingularity, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't need to be a dome per see but some sort of roof...a stepped dome would probably be the most efficient....
    The main reasons are:
    • To provide an atmospherically contained/controlled environment.
    • To minimize/avoid fatalities due to frequent peak heat conditions.
    • To dehumidify the air to avoid wet bulb extremes. (WB35degC has happened already twice apparently)
    • To use as both roof, energy, garden and water collector.
    • To protect against micro storms and violent cyclonic weather systems.
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Yes the biggest threat is not actually the weather but people fighting to survive.
    If trends continue we should see a massive uptick in mass migration, and not just from Africa, Middle East, but also China, India in the next few years...
    Economic collapse, food insecurity is going to make for one hell of a ride....
     
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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    the art of conversation is in the meaning not the content

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    i do also mean the possible biological process of the human condition to seek to counter entropic biology.
    entwined in the aspect of self awareness defining the outer and inner world, driving the inner world to need to over rule the outer world, equally another thing, be that human or otherwise.

    since you mentioned it
    it did occur to me the potential of the aztecs being wiped out by a tidal(tsunami from a meteor) wave.
    it makes convenient logic
    i am guessing if you calculate the correct angle of entry it might result in marginal waves back toward asia where it would have likely been documented as well as seen in historical dig sites.
    it is pure idle ponderance
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I've got an idea. Rather than move into a domed stadium or a shopping mall, why not stay in your current house/apartment?
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    hermetic sealed pressure object
    dome is better, although material is expensive,, say kevlar & a flexible metal woven into a synthetic silk creating a end-point stretch increasing strength to have a negative exoskeleton ... ? etc etc ...
    condensation important
    more important air flow for O2 and venting

    To protect
    inverted force counter measures
    angular dilution of likely and probable vectors also increases risk to larger force vectors

    possibly a semi-submersible dome that allows for reduced lift vectors on cyclonic force etc etc ...
    however... are tornadoes a real risk ?
    why are such domes not built in tornado areas for housing ?
    etc ...
     
  9. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    • To provide an atmospherically contained/controlled environment.
    • To minimize/avoid fatalities due to frequent peak heat conditions.
    • To dehumidify the air to avoid wet bulb extremes. (WB35degC has happened already twice apparently)
    • To use as both roof, energy, garden and water collector.
    • To protect against micro storms and violent cyclonic weather systems.....
    and also to avoid...
    But, of course, it's a matter of individual preference; you're welcome to stay home.
     
  10. spidergoat your cows have come home to roost Valued Senior Member

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    I'd say a bigger threat is the governments that rise out of a desperate population, authoritarian, racist, sexist, theocratic patriarchies.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed. But a house or apartment with an air conditioner would seem easier (cheaper, less energy, less risk, faster) than a dome.

    • To provide an atmospherically contained/controlled environment.
    House does that.
    • To minimize/avoid fatalities due to frequent peak heat conditions.
    House does that.
    • To dehumidify the air to avoid wet bulb extremes. (WB35degC has happened already twice apparently)
    House does that.
    • To use as both roof, energy, garden and water collector.
    Roofs do that now.
    • To protect against micro storms and violent cyclonic weather systems.

    House will be a lot stronger than a dome (square/cubed law.)
     
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  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    There is no doubt that people will stay with their homes and prepper bunkers for as long as they can.
    The main thing is that there is economy in numbers. Logistical efficiencies. Sharing of resources in a communal manner, Offering defense against marauding tribes of sick and starving desperates.
    Ongoing survival of the group after human losses. ( illness, old age, violence )
    Skill set sharing, resource sharing etc...
    Changing the way we as a race think about community vs individual need... etc...
     
  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Tribes of "Mad Maxian" neanderthals led by a typically psychopathic idiot perhaps. Organized chaos. ( government similar to what we have today but better....lol)
     
  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I'll stay home. You can live in the shopping mall.
     
  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Have you ever seen a crowd that you'd want to be a member of? Look at the variety of personality types just here on this forum. Would you like to be stuck in a dome with thousands of them?

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    Just as a test run maybe you would like to live in your local homeless shelter for a few years?
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    lol...
    Actually have been back packing for 6 months about 30 years ago so I am used to communal living.
    What sort of rules would you put in place? Principles of operation that sort of thing?

    30 odd years ago when first realizing the possibility of this somewhat dark future I seriously didn't think that we would actually be having this sort of discussion. Always hoping that some sort of miracle would occur I guess... yet, now here we are discussing this stuff...as a real potential.
     
  17. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Most people won't have options: the big wave or bomb or whatever will take them out, wherever they happen to be. Some will have a choice: shelter with other people or take your chances with the elements. A few will have taken precautions in time.
     
  18. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    How long do you figure the electrical grid to last?
    As long as it has an independent energy source and is extremely well constructed.
    Really? Show me a subdivision or apartment complex anywhere in North America that generates power, collects water and grow food on its roof/s
    I do not believe standard construction methods follow that law. At least, in my anecdotal experience, sports arenas tend to withstand hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes with minor damage, while homes and apartments are reduced to matchsticks. It;s not the squares vs cubes so mush as the two-by-fours vs concrete abutments.
     
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  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, sounds scary. I think I've seen this movie.
     
  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I guess, just watch a MadMax movie or read a little Asimov.
     
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Good. At least you know what to expect.
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    As long as we want it to.
    Yes, houses have to be well constructed.
    None do all of that, because that would be stupid. Growing food and collecting water are not compatible; it would be much smarter to collect the water in place A and grow food in place A (using the rain that fell on the crops.)

    However, plenty of apartment complexes generate and store power. Check out Soleil Apartments for one example. There are thousands of rooftop gardens in New York City alone. And here's a good video on an Indian apartment that collects water:



    Well constructed houses tend to survive; poorly constructed ones do not. But this is nothing new. Hurricanes and tornadoes have been destroying homes for hundreds of years. Nothing new there.
     
  23. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is not novelty but incidence. How many homes destroyed, how often, over how large an area, and what resources and time intervals are available to restore them?

    It's true, however: a very little mitigation is being implemented very late. Maybe the people in those buildings will survive. Until the next catastrophe.
     

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