Creation questions

Discussion in 'Religion' started by davewhite04, Feb 8, 2015.

  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Hard to see how a biblical flood, allegedly occurring in the time of homo sapiens, could have drowned creatures that died out 65 million years earlier. Also hard to see how such a flood could have selectively drowned dinosaurs and not the rest of the air-breathing animal kingdom. How do you get over these difficulties?
     
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  3. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    I was talking to Dave Bells I already answered your question I will search for my own evidence just as Dave has his own evidence already I am not as lucky as Dave to witness such creatures as a first person witness like Dave but misinformation happens on both sides of the table and if you have not seen it with your own eyes then you will never know what source the true bias is coming from this is why I told you don't take my word for it I attempt to do my own research and confirm my suspicions first handedly just as Dave was fortunate enough to do. As for why I belief my statement that had nothing to do with you because I specifically quoted Dave for him to read this is Daves thread and this is what he asked about and he asked the question in the context for christians so let it go am not telling you what side to believe you are free to believe what you like and so am I. Because you, just as I, do not have first hand experience and have not explored the 100 percent of the oceans yourself, you have to depend on the words of the man he tells you what to believe and you believe him because you have faith in his reputation .
     
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  5. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    This is your religious beliefs Bells even mine I must admit until I can aquire evidence in the first person like Dave, he is an eye witness you and me are not. so when you explore 100 percent of the oceans of this planet I will accept your belief system until then you and the "man" has no more right to decide that my beliefs or any less incorrect than your belief because neither me you are the "man" has thouroughly check all the possibilities that are possible not even remotely close so this is why you worship the man because you have "faith" in his reputation.

    Religion based on "Reputation" and the man holds this position.
    a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Don't talk rot.
    Bells' stance is based on evidence (or, in this case, lack of).
    There's bugger all "religious" about it.

    This is incorrect.
    You have no evidence for your belief, ergo yours is less likely to be be true.
    You made a specific claim - i.e. that of a creature capable of biting right through steel ships.
    Please provide evidence.
     
  8. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Well this is pure bollocks. As Enrico Fermi said, it is so misaligned "it's not even wrong".

    1. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. I would not accept my own eye witness testimony, so the thought of giving credence to someone else's -someone who thinks it is reliable - is just silly.
    2. This is why science requires replication of observations, quantified to the extent possible, by multiple, independent researchers.
    3. Science is not about belief. Science is about acceptance of provisional conclusions based upon available evidence and the most logical and mathematically supported argument.
    4. When your beliefs are unsupported by evidence and existing theory and contradicted by observation and logic, then there is no reason to grant them any weight - or respect.
    5. My acceptance of the provisional conclusions of science is not based upon faith in authority. It is based upon engagement in the practice of science and the consequent discovery that it functions as an effective means of unearthing an understanding of aspects of the world. By logical extension, having proven to myself the value of the method, I need only observe others practicing this method and being scrutinised by their peers, to be comfortable that, within the limits of their study, their conclusions are plausible and provisionally acceptable.

    A couple of points echo Dywyddyr's.
     
  9. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    The question as to why the Dinosaurs died out AFTER the flood has been rigorously and comprehensively explained by science.

     
  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I don't generally look at posted YouTube videos, but this one was so short I made an exception. I must say I think you answer the question brilliantly. Spontaneous Nasal Combustion. Of course, why didn't I think of it.

    You know it makes sense.

    In fact though, even CreationWiki (yes, it exists) thinks the water canopy theory that this fellow describes is now largely discredited: http://creationwiki.org/Canopy_theory

    Apparently now it is thought that it must have been the , er, fountains of the deep that caused the flood.

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  11. Bells Staff Member

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    You made the claim, you support it with evidence.

    I don't care about your beliefs.

    You stated that prehistoric creatures in the oceans are biting solid steel ships in half and you said you had evidence of this. You need to provide said evidence and support your claims that 1) such creatures exist and 2) that they are attacking "solid steel ships" in the present day as you claimed.

    That is what you said. And now you need to support your claim or apologise to the participants in this thread for lying. Which is it to be?

    Are you a liar Jason.Marshall?

    If the answer to that is no, then you will need to provide evidence that giant ocean creatures are biting solid steel ships in half in the present day.
     
  12. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone see a child with polio any longer in America? No, because children were given the polio vaccine. just keep that in mind when saying that all vaccines are not good.
     
  13. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    So? like you said its a claim then don't belief me and dismiss it and move on with your life I don't care if you belief me or not you cannot tell how to think I will always reserve the right to do so and I do not need your permission or approval got it?
     
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  14. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    So? like you said its a claim then don't belief me and dismiss it and move on with your life I don't care if you belief me or not you cannot tell how to think I will always reserve the right to do so and I do not need your permission or approval got it?
     
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  15. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    As I said I am not a first person witnessed I watched it on the discover channel and they obviously claim a disclaimer that the viewer should believe at their own risk so the network is not held responsible, and I choose to believe it, I have every right to do so and you have every right to believe the naysayers there was not actually visual evidence on the documentary but the circumstancial was convincing enough to me. So this is why I will have to take it a step further and do my own research for the final word not from you or the man. I do not have to believe in your religion I have that right to believe what ever I want even if you don't approve your highness

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    so quit trying to convert me you are wasting your time this is my life and you do not own my body mind or soul last time I looked at the dotted line.
     
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  16. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    Truly lethal when combined with a bad case of brain farts - as is clearly the case in this matter
     
  17. Photizo Ambassador/Envoy Valued Senior Member

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    lol
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    Where to begin..

    You made an extraordinary claim and you must substantiate said claim by providing evidence.

    Your personal beliefs mean diddly squat to me.

    This is not about me. This is about your claims that prehistoric creatures exist and that they are biting solid steel ships in half in the present day and that you have evidence of this. I have asked you repeatedly to provide said evidence.

    You have thus far refused to and instead, have tried to blather your way around it, you have falsely tried to attribute a religious belief to me for no reason aside to try to avoid your requirement of backing up your argument.

    I will make it really simple for you.

    You have 24 hours.

    In that time, you either provide evidence to support your claims or apologise to the participants of this thread for lying. Failure to do either one of those two will result in your being moderated and yes, you will face a ban.
     
  19. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    Escuse me? are you my mother? are you my wife? first of all I was not talking to you are any member it was an "a anb b" conversation why not "c" your way out of it? If I choose to belief something that does not make me a liar. You remind me of Leopold these are my personal beleifs I already told you you don't have to believe you are just becoming manipulative you are a control "freak" I love you lol

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  20. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    Surely I am not holding a gun to your head and telling you to take my word for it do you understand what it means for someone to have an opinion, do I not have to right to my own thoughs beliefs and opinions? These are facts to me not you simple, its just words Bells not even numbers they wont hurt you don't be scared.
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    If I were your mother, you would not be so stupid and I would never marry someone who was so stupid.

    You are not excused.

    You were either lying or not when you made this claim.

    Which is it?

    This is not a difficult question to answer. Were you lying and making this up or not? Yes or no. If the answer is no you were not lying, then you will be expected to support your claims.

    As I said, you have 24 hours to either provide evidence of your claims or admit you were lying and making it all up. Trying to claim this is personal beliefs all of a sudden is not going to cut it, I'm afraid. 24 hours. More than enough time to either provide links or admit you were lying when you made such claims.

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    And remember, I have cited this site's rules in regards to this.. Good luck. I shall check back for your answer in 24 hours.
     
  22. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    and further I know how you think so I have skipped a step and did not even bother to present my source because I know you will not see it as credible and you have every right to think and believe what ever you please.
     
  23. Jason.Marshall Banned Banned

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    like I said Bells I seen it on the discovery channel why bother using that as evidence when I know you would regard it as how do you all say it "Bollocks" yes Bollocks...lol but if you really want to know so bad I watched the the documentary on the "Megaladons" and I already know you will not accept this as evidence which you are completely in your rights as a human being to do so, so please give me the same respect as I am giving you. and yeah I find you really entertaining please give me some of that unlimited resource of energy you have you are a dear.
     

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