Well, language is a bitch. Has it ever crossed your mind that creationism and evolution might mean the same thing in the past? The universe might very well be the christian God. Couldn't the system be 'sentient enough? Christianity was taken to be a form of philosophy back then until the Romans were involved, it wasn't really a commercialised religion back then. We should go back to the beginning if we are to understand it. Besides, in Buddism, nirvana is gained through a leap in understanding. Most people fail to attain true nirvana throughout their entire lives. Attaining nirvana is seen as the same as entering heaven. Losing nirvana is to been seen as descending into hell(the current world). So the christian model isn't exactly wrong. eg. most christians will not enter the kingdom of heaven I'm not too sure, but shouldn't a model like Godel's theorm present a case where it's possible for scientific truths (expressions) being not fully able to comprehend the entire system? I'm a forum virgin, so please be gentle.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!