After amusing myself with various WANDERER posts I realized a certain trend that people were using to attack him. The bulk of the attacks were conformity based calls to 'step in line' or 'give up'. It is the antithesis to everything I was raised on: individuality, creativity, motivation, respect. What I find in this forum is the opposite of true western values, what I find is the admittance of defeat and the need to make others feel defeated. It is to crush the spirit of imagination, rebellion, conquest, and creation. Members are not allowed to hold ANY ideals, any goals, or any dreams outside of pointless consumption. Members can complain about the 'unfairness' of the world ("Oh, those darn libertarians, GWB he is so mean" "No blood for oil", blah blah), but the minute anyone talks about changing the world, they must be attacked: "Hastien, you are complaining like a five year old, just grow up, the world will never change." I remember Bells even telling people that their existence meant absolutely NOTHING, that the worth of a person was zero. Talk about motivational, I'd love to have her as a teacher, mother, or president. Nihilism in it's purest form!" What becomes of this all? The utter hatred for the human spirit. Tell your child that s/he should not be an astronaut, a lawyer, a leader. Is that not what it amounts to? If you don't agree with someone, JUST SAY YOU DON'T. Why must you construct a transparent argument as to why they are wrong? ("Oh shut up, you sound like a teenage-rebel poser. Life isn't fair, so what, grow up. You're just mad because your dick is small.") Is this a place of philosophy, art, science, religion, nature, and idealism, or is it a place to throw insults onto others for no reason than raising self-esteem? If it is the later, I'll leave.