Defending a Belief

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  1. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry. I'm totally missing your message.

    What does 9/11 have to do with belief? What is the symbolism you speak of?
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Oh. You mean the motive of the terrorists?

    Well, for starters, I think the terrorist attack has more to do with Jingoism - how much meddling the West has done in the Middle East over the last century - manipulating relationships and economies and even emplacing preferred leaders . They're pretty grumpy about that.
     
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  7. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    You shouldn't have beliefs in the first pleace that can't be challenged or created by legitimate facts.
     
  8. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Is Western culture a threat to the belief system they hold. How often has America been refereed to as "Satan"?
    What was the motive of destroying the Twin Towers? What did those buildings represent?
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I think the motive has been corrupted by Western propaganda and popular media.

    Here's a bit of light reading, some of which is directly from Bin Laden himself:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks

    Note that religious motivation comprises only a single, very brief paragraph.
     
  10. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    But that's what we do. Even scientist develop theories that later can be refuted. The problem with people is that we develop beliefs based on life experiences, which isn't really a science.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Agree. Everyone has beliefs.

    Even spidergoat.

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  12. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    That was interesting. Thanks for sharing.
     
  13. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    But to what extent do they inform his actions? I trust he's not flight training.
     
  14. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    I think Scientists come at science first from observations and the questioning of why

    From that comes the idea - is it because?

    You know the rest - test the idea - drill down to why this way? and can it happen another way? etc etc

    I would contend beliefs come more from being told something which plays to your general disposition and the information not being to closely examined

    Fool me once shame on me
    Fool me twice shame on you
    Fool me three times - OK I'm a believer

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    I thought god was only true in fairy tales
    Meant for someone else but not for me
    But god was out to get me
    That's the way it seemed
    He haunted all of my dreams

    Then I heard the story, now I'm a believer
    Not a trace, of doubt in my mind
    I'm in heaven, and now I'm a believer
    I couldn't leave him if I tried

    With apologies to
    I'm a Believer
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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    With apologies to The Monkeys, you young pup.
     
  16. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Who were covering Neil Diamond.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    He wrote it. He even recorded it, but The Monkeys were first-to-market with it.

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  18. Michael 345 Looking for Bali in Nov Valued Senior Member

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    I googled part of the lyrics and took first group shown

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  19. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    I did not know that. New piece of trivia to amaze my sister with.

    I would sneak into her room when she was at school to listen to her Monkees & Neil Diamond records.

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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't either, until I Googled it.

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    I knew Monkeys was first, but wanted to get my facts straight before correcting someone else.
    My wife is a music fan, and I've learned just how much music is written by someone other than who performed it.
     
  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    World Trade - i.e. Western imperialism. Also, a bigger target than the Stock Exchange.
     
  22. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Interpretation of the environment is subjective. People can help us along the way--scientists and philosophers--but in the daily experience it does come down to the individual. Everyone searches for a template from which to work. When that template is threatened, their world is being disturbed, creating anxiety and uncertainty.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed. And a big factor, as we here are too aware, is whether the individual generally places value on the credibility of scientific reasearch.
     

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