Defining trolling

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I already showed that posting about such topics as ghosts and aliens and bigfoot in the appropriate subforum isn't trolling. You have failed to logically show how it is. So no example will serve here.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    OK.....but you certainly can show how very unlikely some of their claims, alternative hypothesis, and other crap can be.
    You can show that logically, there is alternative explanations...you can show that what they regard as "proof" is not proof. You can show again, that extraordinary claims, does require extraordinary evidence.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Showed who? I didn't say it was trolling. But they most certainly and logically will be refuted with any appropriate examples and evidence to the contrary.
    You have failed to logically assert that some of the things you seem to claim are actual fact.
    My example was an example of that.
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Typical. I didn't entail that all scientists don't believe in ghosts, goblins etc.
    I said that science and its adherents have the right to refute, deride and show that unscientific claims can be shown to be just that.
    Please try and not misinterpret posts for your own benefit.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Only if it wasn't paranormal or alien or bigfoot to begin with. Many that AREN'T can be refuted. Many others can't. The ones I post here are ones that convince me the most and defy scientific explanation.
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..deriding posters is off-topic trolling designed to disrupt serious conversation. Nobody has the right to do that here.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Can you show me where I have said anything different?
    Some may certainly defy scientific explanation, but that does not automatically hold that the default position is Alien or Bigfoot, or Ghosts or Goblins.
    They are just that Unexplained, at this time. :shrug:
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Stop with the pedant please. And they most certainly do have the right to refute and deride any outrageous claim, just as you deride any scientific explanation or cause that you do not understand or want to understand.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..lacking any other explanation, when the evidence points to aliens or ghosts or bigfoot we go with those. That's called being objective about a phenomena we don't know either way exists. That's the scientific way, NOT trying to disprove it because you just happen to know they can't exist.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No...derision and mocking of people IS trolling. It fits the definition given--being a prick because you can.
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds rather contradictory...If something is shown to not be able to exist, or at least very unlikely to ever exist, that logically and sensibly in the absence of scientific evidence, the scientific method will tell us to take that as default position.
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And that description has never fitted you?
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Off topic again. Why are trying to pin trolling on me?
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Why are you trying to pin trolling on the supporters of science on a science forum?
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    There's nothing showing any of these things "not being able to exist." Even if all ufos up till now were really weather balloons and swamp gas, there's no guarantee that tomorrow aliens couldn't arrive and invade planet earth. There's nothing in science saying Bigfoot can't exist, and there's nothing in science saying the paranormal can't exist. Absence of evidence isn't, iow, evidence of absence.
     
  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Did my definition do that? Then that wasn't me. That was the definition of troll I quoted.
     
  20. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I do that too.
    But you can only persuade, not demand that they comply with scientific rigour.
    If we want that, we shouldn't have these sections.
    They have nothing to do with science.

    I can see why you might get annoyed when there are claims that such beliefs are scientific, which of course they are not.
    But I'm afraid that goes with the territory.
    If we want these sections, we must accept that the people who believe such things think that they are objectively true.
     
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    Let me reiterate, since you seem to be posting obvious thoughts.
    While absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it still does not give ghosts, goblins, Bigfoot, the default position.
    Plus for the reasons I have already given, and that which is also governed by the scientific method, while other more likely probable explanations remain, the highly unlikely stuff like paranormal events remain at best unexplained, and at worst most certainly unlikely.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The evidence says otherwise...
     
  23. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    It's not evidence though, it's just wishful thinking and assumption.

    If it was truly "evidence" then we wouldn't even be having this discussion and it would be verified fact.
     

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