Sarkus, No thanks,i'm quite alright with ''imaginable''. As it's the concept of God you're giving me (regarding your own position) to work with, I figure we are contextually mutual. You forget to add every aspect of their life. Haven't got anything to add so you turn your attention to me? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Not answering? Again? Here's the question again. Why is it necessary? How would you know you have never experienced whatever you believe to be unimaginable? Unless of course you are aware of what is 'unimaginable'? You assert that God is unimaginable. My question is; Why is God unimaginable to you? I never stated that God was unknowable. I said that on top of not believing in God because of lack of evidence (atheist), you also Don the title ''agnostic'' (A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.). Mix that with God IS unimaginable and you've got yours some intellectual armory there. That is one way to look at it. Unfortunately it always leads to the same place. Nowhere. Another question to ask is; How is it they can imagine God, and I can't? You are. You're the one who decided God is unknowable (without evidence). Agnostic Atheist, remember? So your knowledge and experience leads you to not believe. Firstly, isn't that the criteria for people who do believe? Do you decide how some (if not all) experiences are interpreted? Secondly. Are you somehow lead automatically by your senses? For you maybe. I can certainly see how it be convenient. But for me, it's integral. And it's a fact. Why would you assume that some people don't have a choice, and some people do? Even if you decide to blindly follow the guy in front, thereby relieving yourself of a certain amount of responsibility, the choice was yours. What you appear to be implying is that people who believe, do so because they are programmed, or somehow conditioned into believe something you deem non-existent, and unimaginable. That comes from your air tight armory. If you don't know (which you don't), why post it up as if you do know? I said you 'generalize', not, 'I think you told someone they are 'wrong'. Okay... How I see what? So the only way someone believes is because they force themselves to? Do you equate accepting God with forcing oneself to believe in God? What makes you think that the 'surety' comes from their beliefs? Could the belief come the ''surety''? The ability to accept an idea, emotion without having to believe in it? Who really cares about His non-existence? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! If you need to see God, in one of His original forms, in order to believe in Him. Then this whole discussion should have ended a while ago. But for most people His existence is not an issue. IOW you will accept on your terms. I'm saying you've built up a wall with the intention of keeping God out. Who cares? It's nonsense. If you are sincere in being open-minded about God, then a good place to start is to understand why it is a nonsense. Right. So waiting for evidence of God to materialize is a futile endeavor. Isn't it? Why do you do it? jan.