Desperate denial of General Relativity by The God

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by The God, Jun 4, 2016.

  1. The God Valued Senior Member

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    He is learning English phrases and words....he claimed that he meant whatever Rpenner posted....The guy is growing..
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    TG , you know that you are not equipped with the science or math to determine the veracity or falsehood of either of these things beyond your gut feel.

    Show a bit of humility - acknowledge that, while you have your doubts about these things (which is fair), you don't have enough to form a counter-proposal or defend it - and leave it at that.
     
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  5. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Well a critic need not offer the counter proposal......and I am talking about reality, not some gut feeling, because I know that. 2025 is not really that far...
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No, you're talking about some gut feeling.

    You respect RPenner. Heed his comments.
     
  8. The God Valued Senior Member

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    The reality is that no mass can go inside its event horizon, if at all it happens due to some catastrophic dynamic collapse, it will be transient.. Now its upto others to just prove that....I will not. I am just THE guide.
     
  9. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, he knows his maths and physics unlike most of you. But he is trained to speak in favour of that only. Read about political class. He is an insider, revolt and he will be thrown out.
     
  10. The God Valued Senior Member

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    See, a knowledgeable person must be respected despite his compulsions. And he deserves my respect for his knowledge he bias towards me notwithstanding.
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    When the cranks start lining up to insult me, I can rest easy that I am doing an OK job. And of course the proof is in the thread.

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    What ever humility he ever had, along with his credibility, is long gone. Sad.

    Another cop out? How many is that now?

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    What is your reality? Some invisible magical Spaghetti monster? A God of the Gaps? Science models according to observational data and experimental data.
    That's as close to reality as we get, if not reality.
    The reality is that you are totally blinkered....the further reality is that what you say means nothing and in time will die away on a small sliver of cyber space, never to be heard again. That's the reality.

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    [And well before 2025!

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    Also once again you highlight your ignorance re science in general and the use of the word "proof": You certainly will not invalidate current 21st century cosmology, simply because you cannot: Whether some part of it is invalidated in the future, remains to be seen.
    At this stage though, officially as distinct from your fairy tales, BH's stand as near positively confirmed, and GR even more so.
    No, wrong again. He is trained in logic and common sense, and collectively the logic and common sense, as dictated by the scientific method, is why the mainstream interpretation is the mainstream and why rpenner adheres to that...You see other than a few cranks that gather like flies around a honey pot on a forum such as this, the majority of scientists and lay people alike are logical and use common sense.
    Following the scientific methodology and reasoning and refuting your nonsense is not bias: It is what all of us have aduty to do when any ratbag, crank, or religious nut, sets himself up on a soap box, trying to preach that all of 21st century cosmology is wrong.
    As I have stated many many times, if that was the case, and you had any evidence, you would not be here. But as in the past, you havn't and you can't.
    End of story.
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    That's what I said and that's correct. Its also correct that for something to be real does not need to be physical. That's plain dumb to even suggest.
    More agenda driven unsupported babble.....and toatlly against current reality and physics, but what we have come to expect from any person so drastically blinkered by a God of the gaps.
    The only one playing is yourself....with what I aint sure.

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    Time travel is allowed for in the equations of GR:
    Magical Spaghetti monsters and God's of the gaps are not.
     
  13. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    What's so important about 2025?
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    His miracle date of when the evil that is current cosmology, will come to an end:
    I believe he is associating it with the second coming....or in other words, just a figure he has pulled out of his arse.

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  15. The God Valued Senior Member

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    So you agree that spacetime is not Physical;
    Bending of something or following a bent path, indicates physical aspect. This is simple common sense......then please tell me if something is not physical then how it can bend, how it can make things to follow its curvature ?

    You should ask this question, pl tell me what bends. Learn it before supporting it, otherwise you are following it slavishly.
     
  16. The God Valued Senior Member

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    As Rpenner will tell you 'common sense' has a well established definition....

    .......Common sense is a basic ability to perceive, understand, and judge things, which is shared by ("common to") nearly all people and can reasonably be expected of nearly all people without any need for debate.......


    What do you say the concept of Black Hole or Time Travel can pass the above definition of common sense ? I don't think so.
     
  17. The God Valued Senior Member

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    The ouster of GR in its present form !!

    By the way did you help Paddoboy in finding out the surface area of a sphere of radius 25000 lyrs ?
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You are obviously obfuscating again and in fact being dishonest.
    Something need not be physical to be real.
    Tell me how real is a magnetic field?
    I would suggest that you first need to recognise the malady you are burdened by. Let me say it again, dissent for dissent's sake is totally illogical.
    Your agenda is harming what little credibility you have left as all this has been explained to you many times.
    Again, as many many experiments have shown, including GP-B and aLIGO, and as I have enforced with reputable links, space time will bend/warp/curve/twist/ and wave in the presence of mass.
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed: And as rpenner has told you many times on many aspects of cosmology, your own common sense is totally lacking.
    Just a thought: It's another ploy that trolls often use with the continuous raising and mention of mods and admins. Before rpenner came on the scene it was James that you needed to mention in every second post.
    The funny aspect of it all, is neither support your religious based driven version of cosmology.

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    Common sense is not what you or your agenda dictates.
    Common sense is guided by scientific experiments and observations.
    Science has in the past and will continue to do so, correct our possibly seriously flawed perception of the Universe around us and as a consequence, that of reality.
    Science corrects your "gut feelings" that are rooted in religious myths and magical Spaghetti monsters, and reveals what does surround us, and is the universe of which we are apart.
    Again, in that respect, your own common sense is seriously flawed.

    BH's are now as good as confirmed: If you still doubt that, then the onus is on you to show evidence of some other aspect of cosmology that will cause the same effects:
    Time travel is an aspect and prediction of the fact that space and time [spacetime] are not absolute as the ancients once thought.
    Effective time travel is only really curtailed by the limitation of our technology and physical laws, which the Twin experiment paradox [which is not actually a paradox] shows.
     
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    And yet despite Mr "Once upon a time" and his "out of the rear end" predictions, all recent cosmological experiments are re confirming the near certainty of GR in its present form, and confirmation again of GW's and even more BH mergers.
    Reminds me of these preachers we see on TV and in the local church on Sundays, preaching fire and brimstone and eternal damnation if we all don't repent

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    And the further cosmology pushes such mythical stories into oblivion the louder the more pretentious and gullible ones, like the god seem to shout.

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  21. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Is it ?

    And then you will shed tears that I am twitching your nose...
     
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  23. rpenner Fully Wired Staff Member

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    Being insane or out of their depth.

    The lead signatory is Eric Lerner who is anti-physics, wrote a pop-science anti-physics book and burned the rest of his career trying to support it. Woo-woo!

    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/lerner_errors.html
    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/tiredlit.htm

    Bondi and Gold were co-authors of a 1948 paper which introduced steady state cosmology -- the theory that didn't predict the cosmic microwave background radiation and which is otherwise at odds with observation.

    Narlikar would help revise this theory (repeatedly, for decades) but it didn't actually help it be science rather than a broken idea in conflict with observation.

    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/stdystat.htm

    Arp tried to show that quasars were not billions of light years away with wrong math.

    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#QZ

    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/n...J...441..505N&db_key=AST&high=3325b47acc06425

    Also, note that these guys don't propose a model better than Big Bang cosmology, only ideas that they find more aesthetic. As such, they don't agree on any one alternative cosmology.
     
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