Did God answer prayer for healing?

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  1. Sherlock Holmes Registered Member

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    In the NT we read that Jesus was executed by his own, despite having demonstrated astonishing miracles and events. People, leaders knew of these miracles, were aware of them yet despite that, despite seeing these and hearing testimony from witnesses they did not accept his authority, they saw to it that he was executed, he was rejected, unwelcome, unwanted, despised, loathed, tortured.

    So right there is proof that God showing himself does not yield goodness from us, is not sufficient to change our minds, our minds are already dead set against God, his appearing will not change us, not change our selfish attitudes.

    Jesus revealed information to the Jewish establishment, he told them he had been sent to them with astonishing, important knowledge and showed visual, sensory proof that should (if your analysis is correct) have convinced them but it did not, without force God would be ignored, hated, rejected as much today as he was back then.

    People do not want to change, do not want to admit error, do not want to be told what to do, do not want to subjugate themselves to another, even to God.
     
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  3. Sherlock Holmes Registered Member

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    Even if the documents have been used that way by some it does not prove that that was their intent. Claiming a document is a fabrication, a political tool on the basis of how some have used it is not a rational basis for declaring it invalid.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Let me prove to you the intent of the Holy Inquisition.
    The Inquisition Creed Handbook stipulates:
    That is a direct threat to exert absolute control.
     
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  7. Sherlock Holmes Registered Member

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    Can you explain the relevance of that post?
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Religion as a political tool to maintain control over the population. Witness Islam.

    Even if the underlying motives were an effort to spread the good "Word", the moment it became compulsory and apostasy (heresy) became subject to penalty, it was a control mechanism.
     
  9. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    God's not real. Next case.
     
  10. Sherlock Holmes Registered Member

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    But I have not disputed that.
     
  11. Sherlock Holmes Registered Member

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    How did you establish this? what is the logical reasoning that indisputably proves the conclusion "...and therefore God's not real"?
     
  12. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    God healed my father, and he died much later of old age.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, your father's natural body defenses had nothing to do with it. It was all in God's hands and He came through for him as promised in the bible. It was just one of God's miracles! He does work in mysterious ways, doesn't He?

    He does seem to be very selective for whom He performs miracles. Why is that?
     
  14. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    That is correct!

    His natural body defenses had absolutely nothing to do with it!

    He was miraculously healed instantly after my mother prayed for him at home.

    The doctors had no explanation.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, therefore the only available other explanation was "God did it"?

    The doctors have no explanation of where and how the Covid virus originated. "Did God do that"?
     
  16. candy Valued Senior Member

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    He does seem to be very selective for whom He performs miracles. Why is that?[/QUOTE]

    This what has always disturbed me about "faith healing". 100 people go to a prayer meeting but only 1 is healed. Did the the "healer" like them better than everyone else? Why did the "healer" not heal all of them?
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Some people are special and curry favor with God. It is a sign of devotion. If you are not devoted enough, you're on your own!
     
  18. candy Valued Senior Member

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    Then it is just as well that I stayed home.
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    God didn't heal my mother. Despite many people praying for her, she died anyway.

    You can come up with as many anecdotes as you like for "answered prayer". The fact remains that God fails more often than He succeeds.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
    God never fails, nor succeeds. Nature always succeeds.
     
  21. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    It was his back.

    His back so disabled him that he could not work. He had a disk that kept slipping out of place, over a period of weeks. Getting worse and worse over time.

    One night, after my mother prayed for him, while in bed he felt a physical touch on his back, like that of a hand on his back, though he could see no hand, and my mother was asleep.

    He woke her up and told her that he thought that he had been healed by God. He got out of bed, without her help, got up and was fine. He went back to work and never had the problem again.

    How could a doctor ever explain such a thing?

    All I can say is that this experience was real to him.
    That his back was broken, and that it was healed after prayer.

    He went home to be with the Lord of the Universe at the age of 95.

    That means he died at the age of 95.

    Draw your own conclusions, and throw it out the window if you will. Your free will choice.

    Miracles are certainly going on in the World today, and there are numerous documented accounts of them.

    No need to take my word for it.

    Pretty sure you already know the Biology of why we all die.

    Care to character assassinate my Dad?
     
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  22. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    As you likely already know, there are a growing number of reports coming out of Muslim countries, of Jesus Christ appearing to them both in dreams and physically before them. And that they are turning to Him because of it.

    So I would personally suggest that it really can have a great impact on an individual, and can actually change minds even in our day.

    Also, that the appearing of the resurrected Christ, after His death, changed many hearts as well, including the hearts of His own followers.

    Spot On!!!
     
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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I was disabled with a slipped disc (5th lumbar). Took me two years to recover from crawling on the ground to standing. One night I turned in my sleep and woke up from a sharp pain which quickly subsided. The movement had made the disc slip back to its natural position and with some rest and exercise, I recovered completely. No God. Just got lucky, made the right move.
    I just did.
    No doubt, except of course his back was not broken, he had a slipped disk. My disk slipped back in place, without the prayer.
    I accept the entire story. I just don't believe it was God, but a natural healing.
    That is not true. Occasionally there is an event that may be unexplainable, but is not a miracle.
    I sure do, my wife is a nurse and I worked in medical billing for many years.
    Not at all, I don't know why you would make such an accusation. In fact, I was pleased to hear he had a long life and a loving family. Nothing wrong with that.
    It was unnecessary to even make such an ad hominem suggestion. I am a humanitarian, I just don't believe there is a God.
     
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