Did Haiti form a pact with the Devil?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Captain Kremmen, Jan 14, 2010.

  1. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

    According to televangelist Pat Robertson, Yes.
    They are a cursed nation.
    And that's why they have had an earthquake.

    Christy, something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French, Napoleon III or whatever, and they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said we will serve you if you get us free from the French. True story. So the devil said okay it's a deal, so the Hatians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since then they have been cursed by one thing after another. Desperately poor, the island of Hispanola is one side, on the one side is Haiti, on the other side is the Dominican Republic. The Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts et cetera, Haiti is in desperate poverty. They need to have, and we need to pray for them, and out of this tragedy I'm optimistic something good may come, but right now we're helping the suffering people and the suffering is unimaginable.
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  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

    Then why hasn't China or Russia suffered the same catasrophies then because they are Communistic and do not believe in God. While over 4/5 of Haiti are Catholics,God should be looking out for them, ironic isn't it.
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member


    Other than Robertson, I cannot find any references to Haiti and the devil. I don't know where he is getting this story. Perhaps it is another revelation he has received from God. Robertson claims to get a lot of revelations from God. However, there must be some static in his connection with God as his revelations from God do not tend to pan out.


    A brief history of Haiti:


    I remember times when the US interefered with Haiti in order to keep people from taking to rafts and heading for the US (illegal immigration). Who knows how many have died trying to leave the island on rafts. The situation in Haiti needs a permanent solution, not just an endless series of bandaids.
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  7. Forceman May the force be with you Registered Senior Member

    Haitians' pact with the Devil

    Satan is the direct enemy of God, so an atheistic nation would not be judged as intensely as a Satanic nation. Haitians practice direct black magic; the country is cursed. Many of them have sold their soul and formed a pact with the Devil and their nature is receiving premature judgment.
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    Most of the folks in Haiti are Christian, 85 percent Catholic. How does that square with being a Satanic nation?
  9. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member


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  10. John99 Banned Banned

    or it could be this:


    not to mention the hurricanes.
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

    Yes, it's amazing how often God creates earthquakes on geological fault lines.
  12. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

    Very informative link.
  14. earth Registered Senior Member

    It was a cruel statement made by Pat Robertson telling his viewers that God cursed the Haitians making those poor folks feel even worse. I doubt any relief aid for the Haitians will come from Pat. I wonder if Pat in his sick delusion mind thinks other countries citizens are cursed?
  15. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

    Of course he will say that other people/places are cursed. That's how he puts bread on the table.

    And make no mistake, he'll raise MOUNTAINS of money for the relief effort.
  16. krazedkat IQ of "Highly Gifted"-"Genius" Registered Senior Member

    Yeah look! They're black! THEY MUST BE SATANIC!... Idiot...
  17. John99 Banned Banned

    He was comparing to the other side of the island and they basically look the same.
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  19. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

    Pat Roberts is a Devil worshiper.
  20. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

    This could be the main reason behind all successful independence uprisings.

    This is from Wikipedia. And the rest of the history since then show us that the country has always been under the control of the US forces.

    Since the US is highly specialized in exorcism business -with shit loads of evangelical church industries-, the pact with the Devil could have been cancelled. Yet the US had recently concentrated on Axis of Evil...

    This is a mad world and any the devil shit himself. All in all, nobody helped these people whatsoever, and now some retards blame some voodoo stories, is that so?
  21. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    You took only one small snippet of Haiti history and represented it as all of Haitian history...not logical or reasonable. And there is no reference in Wikipedia to the US being in teh exorcism business.


    The French government changed and the legislature began to rethink its decisions on slavery in the colonies. After Toussaint L'ouverture created a separatist constitution, Napoleon Bonaparte sent an expedition of 20,000 men under the command of his brother-in-law, General Charles Leclerc, to retake the island. Leclerc's mission was to oust L'ouverture and restore slavery. The French achieved some victories, but within a few months, yellow fever had killed most of the French soldiers.[13] Leclerc invited Toussaint L'ouverture to a parley, kidnapped him and sent him to France, where he was imprisoned at Fort de Joux. He died there in 1803 of exposure and tuberculosis[10] or malnutrition and pneumonia. In its attempt to retake the colony, France had lost more than 50,000 soldiers, including 18 generals.[14]

    Battle between Polish troops in French service and the Haitian rebels. Some Polish soldiers became sympathetic to the natives' cause and joined the Haitian rebels.[15]The native leader Jean-Jacques Dessalines, long an ally of Toussaint L'ouverture, defeated the French troops led by Donatien-Marie-Joseph de Vimeur, vicomte de Rochambeau at the Battle of Vertières. At the end of the double battle for emancipation and independence, former slaves proclaimed the independence of Saint-Domingue on 1 January 1804, declaring the new nation as Haiti, honoring one of the indigenous Taíno names for the island. It is the only nation born of a slave revolt.[10] It is estimated that the slave rebellion resulted in the death of 100,000 blacks and 24,000 of the 40,000 white colonists.[16]

    Dessalines was proclaimed Emperor for life by his troops.[17] He exiled or killed the remaining whites and ruled as a despot.[18] He was assassinated on 17 October 1806. The country was divided then between a kingdom in the north directed by Henri Christophe, and a republic in the south directed by a gens de couleur Alexandre Pétion. Henri Christophe is best known for constructing the Citadelle Laferriere, the largest fortress in the Western Hemisphere, to defend the island against the French. President Jean Pierre Boyer, also a gens de couleur, managed to reunify the two halves and extend control again over the western part of the island.[19] Dominican historians have portrayed the period of the Haitian occupation (1822–42) as cruel and barbarous, but Boyer also freed the slaves.[20]

    In July 1825, the king of France Charles X sent a fleet of fourteen vessels and troops to reconquer the island. To maintain independence, President Boyer agreed to a treaty by which France recognized the independence of the country in exchange for a payment of 150 million francs (the sum was reduced in 1838 to 90 million francs) – an indemnity for profits lost from the slave trade. The French abolitionist Victor Schoelcher wrote "Imposing an indemnity on the victorious slaves was equivalent to making them pay with money that which they had already paid with their blood."

    A long succession of coups followed the departure of Jean-Pierre Boyer. In its 200-year history, Haiti has seen 32 coups.[21] National authority was disputed by factions of the army, the elite class and the growing commercial class, now made up of numerous immigrants: Germans, Americans, French and English.

    On more than one occasion US, French, German and British forces claimed large sums of money from the vaults of the National Bank of Haiti.[22]

    Expatriates bankrolled and armed opposing groups. In 1888 US Marines supported a military revolt against the government. In 1892 the German government supported suppression of the movement of Anténor Firmin. In 1912 Syrians residing in Haiti participated in a plot in which the presidential palace was destroyed. In January 1914, British, German and United States forces entered Haiti ostensibly to protect their citizens.[22]

    Since 1915
    The United States occupied the island from 1915 to 1934. The Haitian administration dismantled the constitutional system, built roads, and established the National Guards that ran the country after the Marines left.

    In 1937 Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo,[23] in an event known as the Parsley Massacre, ordered the Army to kill Haitians living on the Dominican side of the border.[24] He developed a uniquely Dominican policy of racial discrimination, Antihaitianismo ("anti-Haitianism"), targeting the mostly-black inhabitants of his neighboring country.

    Within the country, François "Papa Doc" Duvalier used both political murder and expulsion to suppress his opponents; estimates of those killed are as high as 30,000.[25]1957–1986
    From 1957 to 1986, the Duvalier family reigned as dictators, turning the country into a hermit kingdom with a personality cult and corruption. They created the private army and terrorist death squads known as Tonton Macoutes. Many Haitians fled to exile in the United States and Canada, especially French-speaking Quebec. In the 1970s the United States funded major efforts to establish assembly plants for U.S. manufacturers. In the mid 1980s the US continued military and economic aid to the regime.[26]

    In 1986 protests against "Baby Doc" led the U.S. to arrange for Duvalier and his family to be exiled to France. Army leader General Henri Namphy headed a new National Governing Council.[26]

    In March 1987 a new Constitution was overwhelmingly approved by the population. General elections in November were aborted hours after dozens were shot by soldiers and the Tonton Macoute in the capital and scores more around the country.

    In December 1990, the former priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide won the election by more than two thirds of the vote. His mandate began on 7 February 1991. In August 1991, Jean-Bertrand Aristide's government faced a non-confidence vote within the Haitian Chamber of Deputies and Senate. Eighty three voted against him, while only 11 members voted in support of Aristide's government. Following a coup d'etat in September 1991, President Aristide was flown into exile. In accordance with Article 149 of Haiti's Constitution of 1987, Supreme Court Justice Joseph Nerette was named Provisional President and elections were called for December 1991. These were blocked by the international community and the resulting chaos extended into 1994.

    In 1994, Haitian General Raoul Cédras asked former U.S. President Jimmy Carter to help avoid a U.S. military invasion of Haiti.[27] President Carter relayed this information to President Clinton, who asked Carter, in his role as founder of The Carter Center, to undertake a mission to Haiti with Senator Sam Nunn, D-GA, and former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Colin Powell.[27] The team successfully negotiated the departure of Haiti's military leaders and the peaceful entry of U.S. forces under Operation Uphold Democracy, paving the way for the restoration of Jean-Bertrand Aristide as president.[27] Aristide left the presidency in 1995.

    Aristide was re-elected in 2000. His second term was marked by accusations of corruption. In 2004 a paramilitary coup ousted Aristide a second time. (See 2004 Haitian rebellion) Aristide was removed by U.S. Marines from his home in what he described as a "kidnapping", and briefly held by the government of the Central African Republic to which the U.S. had decided to fly him. Aristide obtained his release and returned to the hemisphere shortly afterwards, although he has not returned to Haiti.

    Boniface Alexandre assumed interim authority. In February 2006, following elections marked by uncertainties and popular demonstrations, René Préval (close to the still-popular Aristide and former president of the Republic of Haiti between 1995 and 2000) was elected.

    The United Nations Stabilization Mission in Haiti (also known as MINUSTAH) has been in the country since the 2004 Haiti Rebellion."
  22. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

    Excuse me, but if you are ignoring a trillion dollar industry -one of the biggest contribution to the US economy after Axis of Evil production, Gay Wrestler videos and spotting fake Martians, respectively-; I can not take you seriously.

    By the way, size doesn't matter... Go back and read my sentence carefully:

    Right after 1915-1934 occupation, I said: "And the rest of the history since then show us that the country has always been under the control of the US forces."

    Then go back and read what you quoted from Wikipedia about the US involvement since this date: What do you see? The US involvement in every paragraph, don't you?

    What are you protesting?
  23. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    A trillion dollar industry? What the hell are you talking about and how does this relate to Haiti? Haitian economy is no where near a trillion dollars. The Haitian GDP is more like 7 billion dollars, that is a drop in the bucket. You need to re-read the history of Haiti. The US has not been dictating or controling Haiti since 1934? If you have any proof of same, now is the time to reveal it to the world. Intervening in times of crisis such as now in order to save lives is not evil as you seem to think. Haiti is an unstable country, has been an unstable country which from time to time needs extrodinary intervention. Now is one of those times. The US has taken defacto control of the nation yet again in order to save lives.

    You need to set your bias and misunderstandings aside and go back and re-read Haitian history. By the way the US is the largest provider of aid to Haiti, providing over a billion dollars since 1995 and adding more dollars to that support every year. And that does not count private American charity flowing into the country each year.

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