Did Jesus exist?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Dinosaur, Feb 19, 2018.

  1. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Aside from the Bible, is there any evidence of the existence of Jesus?
     
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  3. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Not that I have found.
    There are very obscure references to a christ but there is not anything one could remotely call evidence.
    Perhaps someone will come forward with evidence but I doubt it.
    Alex
     
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  7. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    If you posses faith.
     
  8. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    That's not evidence, that's willful self-delusions.
     
  9. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    What qualifies as evidence. If you were only skeptical it would destroy all your evidence.
     
  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Don't be silly. Evidence consists of objectively verifiable facts that support a hypothesis. If they are objectively verifiable, they cannot be dismissed by a sceptic - or not without intellectual dishonesty, at least.

    The bible constitutes one piece of evidence (the manuscripts undoubtedly exist in several ancient languages). However, as (a) the consensus is that the NT was written a considerable time after the events depicted and (b ) it was obviously written to found a new religion (i.e. is not objective) , it is not very good evidence, unless corroborated independently. Which is what this thread is about.
     
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  11. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Bingo.
     
  12. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Meaning no evidence exists, He did exist.
     
  13. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    You're not very good at this.
     
  14. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Was there a reference to him by Josephus?
     
  15. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.
     
  16. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes it seems there was. I was too hasty in my earlier remarks. See this article from the Guardian newspaper:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cal-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died

    It seems there is also a mention by Tacitus and also in Jewish rabbinical writings. So there is more to it than I had thought.

    One thing the author of the article says which is at variance with what I had previously understood is that the synoptic gospels were written within 40 years of Christ's death. I had always assumed they were written a good deal later and thus the contributions of Josephus and Tacitus could have been "reverse-enegineered" into the gospels, by writers generating the new religion. I suppose I should investigate the evidence for when they were written. Not sure I can be bothered just now however.
     
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  17. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Both faith and skepticism can be verified.
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Care to verify your faith or do you just like saying stuff you cant back up...
    You have the floor verify your faith in anyway that you like ...put up or withdraw your claim.
    Alex
     
  19. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know of any historical evidence, but you've got to remember he was, in his time, an insignificant figure that grew larger over time. You can probably think of others whose story became more significant as time progressed.
     
  20. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    So, we have "eye-witness" testimony written decades after the purported facts. How can that possibly be suspect?
     
  21. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    No, faith is willingness to rely on something that cannot be verified.
     
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  22. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    I think homeschooled members should be flagged.
     
  23. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    Sure they can

    You can easy verify this member XYZ relies on faith while this member ABC is a skeptic

    What you mostly cannot verify are the claims made by the faithful or the uncertainty objections made by the skeptic

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