Did Nothing Create Everything?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by SetiAlpha6, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry,

    Moses had to initially go into Saudi Arabia because the Sinai Peninsula was under Egyptian military control. So I focused only on the bases in the Sinai Peninsula. There are many others, just as you so correctly pointed out.

    According to the account...

    Moses was born a Hebrew in Egypt

    Moses grows up in an Egyptian house of royalty

    Moses killed an Egyptian

    Moses flees Egypt to avoid the death penalty
    (To flee Egypt, he had to leave the country of Egypt proper and also leave any outlying territory controlled by the Egyptian military, the Sinai Peninsula, as well to avoid being captured and killed.)

    The account names the place Moses goes to and lives in for 40 years as Midian, which has always been located in Saudi Arabia. So we know Moses was supposed to have lived in Saudi Arabia according to the account. (Incidentally that Moses lived there in Midian has also been passed down from generation to generation even to the people that live in the area today)

    The Pharaoh who wanted to kill Moses dies.

    While he is in Midian (Saudi Arabia), according to the account, Moses encounters God in a burning bush, at Horeb, the Mountain of God, and God tells him to go back to Egypt, because God will use him to set his people free from the slavery of Egypt.

    But, God tells Moses to bring the Israelites back to the Mountain of God.

    For Moses to do that he would have had to bring them all the way to Saudi Arabia, because that is where the Mountain of God is located.

    So Moses returned to Egypt, set his people free, and then brings them to the Mountain in Saudi Arabia.

    Thanks for your interest and patience with me!
    Sorry if I am not being clear!
     
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  3. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, these writings do not establish an Exodus Route.

    They are only evidence that the Israelites really were slaves in Egypt.

    That is all.

    Sorry if I missed your point. I probably did.
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    If the Sinai was under Egyptian military control, why would the Israelites cross it instead of skirting it?
    There's no point in bringing up Moses' early life. It has no bearing on the route that the Israelites took.
    Does He? Chapter and verse, please.
    That has not been established. Most scholars seem to disagree.
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    They may be evidence that there were Semitic slaves in Egypt, not necessarily Israelites.
     
  8. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah... not sure what women you've been with, but I call it sex, and yes for me it has to be the right person, planning for kids or not. Sex, between two people who genuinely care for each other? Gold. Fuck Darwin.
     
  9. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    It depends who's studying it. It is created to bring more mathematical order to the universe. It doesn't exist. Build your house on sand?
     
  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting choice.
    Alex
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely mixed with cement and gravel...

    I was trying to determine if you are one of those folk who enlist quantum mechanics to support a notion that anything is possible or at least anything they put forward is possible.
    Alex
     
  12. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    It is possible. Now just waiting for the geniuses to show up? Not easy, when I think the world is getting dumber. Maybe it's a good thing.
     
  13. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Well I think one can be encouraged by the increase in atheism and hopefully the prospect of religious groups having less control on people's lives such that a better moral code can arise.
    Alex
     
  14. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    I believe nothing does not exist, and has never existed.
     
  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe locally.
     
  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    That's what I have been saying and the only universe that can exist therefore is eternal and if eternal there is no creator.

    Alex
     
  17. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    The universe hasn't existed forever. It continues for eternity, but that's different to not having a beginning. If the universe has existed forever time-travellers would never cease traversing.
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not...the clock is still running and who can say if it will ever reach forever.
    They can't traverse because they could not reach either end of the time scale but perhaps there are no time travellers, maybe they are just figments of human imagination just like so many other crazy ideas where humans believe something exists but clearly does not.
    The more you think about it an eternal universe is the only thing that makes sense as really any alternative is unsupportable.
    Maybe humans should worship the eternal universe..maybe I have just forseen the next big step in spirituality...maybe we have always existed and will always exist...maybe we are the gods ...eternal but we don't know it...although I feel I do...and really it makes no sense that I would be wrong.
    Alex
     
  19. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    There is a difference between, "forever" and, "for eternity." "Forever" means, "without beginning." "For eternity" means, "with a beginning" but without end.
     
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Funny I looked for a definition of forever and one has not popped up.
    I don't know that forever necessarily excludes beginning...and eternity I don't know includes a beginning.
    I think it makes more sense to think of forever and eternity as meaning eternal with no beginning.
    The only difficulty is my approach is not within human experience but then neither is a god so it's just a matter of contemplation to realise eternal without beginning makes more sense .. energy can not be created or destroyed so it can only be eternal..heck even the big bang, which takes us back such a long long way can't envision a point where there was not something..a hot dense something..heaps of energy suggesting a long long time before that energy must have existed and no matter how far you push back you can only determine there must have been something...that can only mean eternal.
    Alex
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I quote this again because you are right.
    As you say nothing clearly does not exist, what you say makes perfect sense to me and I can not imagine that anyone would disagree who has thought about nothing.
    And further it makes perfect sense that nothing could never have existed in the past. So if nothing has never existed there must always have been something is what you are saying..and we can only call that something our universe..be it hot and dense or like we have today or somewhere in between. ..something..always something...that means eternal and no beginning.
    You whether you disagree or not have established the undeniable logic that establishes the universe can only be eternal. I expect that in the future you will become known as the person who logically proved that our universe is eternal. Well done. You are clearly a great thinker. May the congratulation now flow.
    Alex
     
  22. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Most people say I look like god.
    Pretty annoying that folk can only compare you to mythical characters.

    Alex
     

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