Did Nothing Create Everything?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by SetiAlpha6, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    You as in the person who can do this with a flesh pump and goop for brains(which I have plenty evidence of):


    The best evidence I can give you which is remotely scientific is children remembering past lives, as well as adults, and depict an exact event that did take place in history. You have more knowledge then your brain can cope with. Women wake up talking a foreign language even though she "thought" she didn't know it. Complicated, but once your brain is running at full capacity, you potentially will know everything, no limit is there?

    I can't remember looking at one mirror.

    That term was coined by the Hinduism faith, and it has nothing to do with dying a man and being born a cockroach. I *think* the Jewish scholars believed in a form of reincarnation there. In my belief system it is a fact. How many times you been down here? You bought the ticket before you came, and seem to be one of the lucky ones. You must be a decent age now

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    nearly as old as me...

    Disclaimer: You won't believe a word of this. End of.
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  3. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    For those interested, the soul is connected to your heart. In my belief system.
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  5. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Also, when the soul and body merge, which it probably happened already to some people, you have an eternal body with all the knowledge you(soul) picked up along the way. aliens anyone?
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    They do.

    The many links between astrology and the undeniable huge number of human gods are impossible to reject.

    There is no basis to ignore the importance and incorporation of astrology in the human god patten including Jesus...the death and three day pause ... From the Sun...12 followers..from the Sun worship....refusal to see it is to ignore history. Jesus was just another invention using astrology. That is a demonstrable fact and ignoring it takes nothing away from the validity of those facts..

    Yet when presented with facts all we get is ..but what if...a knee jerk hunt for excuses...well what else can they do..

    The role of astrology is fact...fact damn it.
    That is a fact that rules out the validity of the new testament...it's over, it's a done deal...you can disagree all you like but you can't change the facts and all you can do is ignore them...that much it clear...you may not like it but Jesus was a myth invented by astrologers and Romans.

    How can you separate the church from early christianity?

    How can you separate Christianity from astrology?

    How can you separate the success of Christianity from Roman support ...back then ..think of it..their roads...they controlled the movement of everything including religions.

    All you do is ignore the history and continue to bang your drum without applying facts to your myth...

    Why should we believe anything other than Jesus was a product of astrology.
    How will you dismiss each parallel to the Sun and each link to astrology...mere coincidence?

    I think the movie re Roman invention is the most plausible account, well supported many observations... damning ...first Pope's is really sufficient to give the proposition high credibility .

    However what a great con job...the best in history...you can explain it to victims and they are unable to admit that they have been conned...you can show the many human gods in history but victims just choose to believe all these earlier human gods are somehow not there and that the astrology that they all share really never played a role in anything...story line????..God wants to forgive humans so he creates a sacrifice of his son etc...really???? It is absolutely incredible that folk don't find the story curious in the least...it don't make sense....

    Your only way to deal with my propositions is to be peaceful and polite for which I compliment that approach.

    But that is your armour, that is your way of not really engaging the facts...


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  8. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

    Alex, how would you go about proving that Nero did not kill or persecute Christians in the first century?

    How would you prove that?
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Why do I need to prove Nero did not kill Christians? What has that got to do with anything?????

    You see you have made such a big mistake and you don't even know it...

    There were Christians pursecuted as far as I know and certainly I am happy to presume that was the case...but I guess you missed the explaination in the movie.

    ...it's all over in there how could to miss it./?????..you really make me think that you have not watched it...you have watched it but you still ask that question????? Mmmmm something is very fishy.

    Why should I try to explain it when the movie does a far better job than I could???

    Perhaps rather than offer nonsense why don't you comment upon on what the movie says??? You could reject their proposition if you had viewed it. It covers it all...such a pity that you did view it.

    I don't believe you have watched the movie at all because the question that you pose is answered and it pulls the whole thing together offering even the reason why Rome pulled the con which is directly related to your question.. a question you would not ask if you had viewed the movie..like you said... look if you did not want to view it why lie that you had when clearly you haven't.

    You did not view it...that is clear and the implication is that you have lied.
    You are terrible. How can you claim all this religious stuff and lie? But you are typical of all the Christians I have had contact with..terrible but habitual liars.

    Anyone who viewed the movie would not for a moment ask your question.

    It has tripped you up I am afraid. Not so clever and if not so clever do not lie.

    You have been exposed.

    Niceness your way out of that.

    It's there and I can not understand how you missed it given you have viewed it twice..maybe a third time and you can answer that question all by yourself ..

    All I can think is you are actually an atheist trying to , success fully, show how silly a Christian can be...mmm no an atheist would not lower themselves I would hope.

    You are doing well being nice and polite and that approach gives you some hope but lieing just destroys all your efforts....and to be so easily caught out...and worse you don't even understand how you have been exposed...viewing the movie will make you want to hid your head in shame...
  10. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

    As I said before, I watched the first film twice and the second film once. And I also, thanked you for sharing them with me.

    There is no need to hide my head in shame.
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Ok why were some Christians killed and others not?
    It's interesting explains everything
  12. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

    You are better than this Alex!
  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Because they got killed.
  14. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    What is that supposed to mean?
    You can not take the high ground if you need to ask the question...you asked the question to yourself concluding that your erroneous answer must cast doubt on the proposition whereas to view the answer as given in the video would make you realise you have gone off half cocked.

    Look it boils down to this. You say you viewed the video, and I say that if you had viewed it you would have the answer re Christian killings as that is specifically covered and the proposition is supported by taking the dead sea scrolls into account (all in the video).

    The video specifically explains the situation such that your question is answered in the video.

    The fact that you have no understanding in this area strongly suggests that you did not view the video and although you say that you have your ignorance of its contents casts reasonable doubt upon your claim.

    I am sorry you think I could do better but only because I interpreted your judgement as an effort to avoid addressing my observation that if you had viewed the video you would never need to ask your question.

    I don't need to offer any thing other than to say the video answers your question and in that answer sets the scene and describes the situation such that we can understand why the Romans invented Jesus.

    Rather than judge me perhaps offer a meaningful comment upon the video and what it says about the killing of Christians.

    You lied about receiving a decent run and it certainly seems you have not viewed the video as you claim given your ignorance of its specific content, is very telling...and certainly the video answers the question that you need not have asked..if indeed you viewed the video.

    Anyone who has viewed the video I feel can only reach the same conclusion and certainly if my observation is misguided could drop in and explain where I may have it wrong.

    You have displayed in this thread and others an ability to present your beliefs and ignore sensible comment such that folk less than cynical will conclude you lack a degree of determination to engage, say little, and then continue to preach that a story that is almost certainly a myth can be made real by posting photos that somehow we the uninformed will grasp and fall into your delusion.

    And with all your ability to put together the puzzle as you call it you can happily ignore all matters that reasonably show that you are chasing a mirage.

    Your hole that you have dug is too deep to jump out of and you must continue to dig...go ahead...

  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    That tells us a great deal, about you,...slip in make a silly observation and protect your ignorance and show you are less than interested in the truth and happy to engage in drive by silly input ... Sometimes you can be funny.
  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    However what a wonderful thread.
    We have exposed the inappropriate straw man attack on the big bang theory and pointed out the concern one must have when considering the god story that before creation there was nothing but a mythical entity took that nothing and willed all that is into existence...
    We can observe that belief enables the exclusion of fact and reasonable enquiry.
    And best of all we can still all be nice to each other.
  17. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Why do you think?
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Good question but I really don't know . Do you know why I think?
    My money is on your idea re free will attributes my thinking as something outside my control or rather in my control subject however to made up notions of what an unidentified entity must hide behind to abdicate all responsibilty for a total lack of involvement in the lives of humans sidestepping the question as to why millions die in war and that the world seems a place devoid of any god.
  19. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    So what would your ideal world be Alex? Who would be allowed in it?
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Well building Utopia is impossible for a mere mortal but one could hope that an ideal world may have humans better behaved with no murder,rape, child abuse, domestic violence, poverty, greed, cruelty to animals, lack of respect for the environment, and perhaps some inbuilt mechanism that renders humans incapable of lieing.

    I know..it would require some god like entity which we don't have...but one can dream.

    Everyone... It's just that I would extend capital punishment to murders, rapists, child molesters, those who practise domestic violence, those who are cruel to animals..particularly folk who take advantage of their position of trust to molest children in places one should expect better....not as punishment but as part of an effort to cull undesirable breeders.
    But I certainly would not resort to a flood or thrusting human sacrifice as a suitable method of establishing a superstitious sect.
  21. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Androids... they are among us.

    Say your soul was involved in WW2, and survived and got a medal of Valour. That means something to a soul. Do you think all aliens are friendly?

    You need to start creating your World, make sure you build it on Rock.
  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    Speculating upon a situation where we assume the existence of a soul is not of interest to me.
    I have no sample to offer an opinion.
    Not at all. But perhaps those who claim there is a loving god could stop making stuff up .
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  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

    So I have been thinking.

    And I ask ...how can one find any reality in the Jesus story...born in astrology from day one..three kings etc.

    The folk who told of such in the bible do not accept that Jesus was the one who fitted any prophesy.

    If nothing else that deserves consideration. The religion that builds the foundation does not see Jesus as fitting the bill.
    Why? Do they accept that Jesus was made up by the Romans..I bet they do and sit smug letting the Jesus fools knock themselves out.

    Why don't Christians think about that?

    Next the Jesus story is not a new one with countless similar human gods being constructed by multiple cultures such that Jesus is just another Elvis impersonator. then to find this invented god is a mere astrology happy build...it's there you don't have to imagine anything.. Jesus is a astrology invention..
    Then the Romans dragging it all together and promoting their invention of Jesus and the Jesus story says it is all just another con.
    And those conned filled with the excuses..verses to hold off enquirey...told that non Think Ng, faith, is a virtue...when is being brain dead dumb a virtue...???
    Jesus should be relegated to the pile of the thousands of gods cast aside in favour of some new god craze.
    The myth becomes gloriously obvious.
    How can folk still hang on?
    How brain dead do you have to be?
    All these losers..too frightened to believe what is in front of them...unable to consider a new group of honest friends so they stay in the cult lieing thru their teeth...I get it..so sad..just so very very sad.
    And how they defend their fairey tales...how do these folk look in the mirror and not throw up in disgust from looking at a losser. Such a pity.
    Seti..you poor unfortunate brain washed human ..you lie and perform like a snake on a hot plate...at some point you must be a man and work with reality...sure it's scarry and big but it is better than you currently believe. And your kids training them to lie and take the easy path of being just part of the cult what a legacy hope you are proud ... Don't you want something better for your kids.
    Plants need manure to grow.. some humans thrive on BS.
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