DNA Evidence Reveals Identity Of Jack The Ripper

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  1. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    In fact, the DNA evidence to date is a positive ID on a sample of semen in the victim's scarf, matching it to the population group of Ashkenazi Jews. One of the suspects was indeed an Ashkenazi Jew, and as a statistician this is an interesting convergence (including presumed allele sharing in Kosminski's descendants), but it must also be remembered that the match is a population biology-level assignment rather than a diagnostic individual ID. Nor is it known for sure that the semen on her scarf really did come from her killer; it could have been an Ashkenazi 'client'. A sample from Mr Kosminski would be required to make an individual assignment, and even then a trial would allow him to make some kind of statement.

    That all being said, yeah, it was probably him.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Can you tell me where they got Aarons DNA from to begin with? Since there was no DNA taken from anyone back then how can they say that it was Aarons beyond a reasonable doubt? Then there's the other problem that Aaron was a client of hers and perhaps he picked up the shawl while with her. To say, without a trial, that anyone was guilty would be a travesty of justice and also show your ignorance.
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    And there is the issue of provenance. So this evidence is far from definitive.
     
  9. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    So molecular evidence from a century-plus old, unprotected or intermittently exposed-to-the-elements shawl bought at an auction[!] is still in good enough condition for this claimed determination. But DNA testing on samples from the Girl Scout murders of 1977 [investigative team's collected / stored crime-scene materials / fluids] are repeatedly excused as being too degraded to produce conclusive results.
    http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/article/the-oklahoma-girl-scout-murders/2/index.html
     
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    As one or both of the articles mention, they had one of Kosminski's (male?) descendants 'contribute' fresh seminal evidence.
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    As usual in the JTR world, delve a little deeper and the evidence is superficial.
    Ah well, it's another book.

    Problems
    1. The artefact is not for certain Eddowe's clothing.
    2. The DNA is not an "exact match", it shows features common to millions of people.

    Interesting though.
    Thanks for posting it.
     
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  12. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    The evidence and relatives [and bodily tissue of one sort or another collected directly from victims and Hart himself] are much more recent in terms of the infamous girl scout crime; and yet they still can't determine jacque trapue. Maybe the OSBI should recruit this apparently extraordinary Dr. Jari Louhelainen for a change.
     
  13. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    It's a shame about those girl scouts.
     
  14. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    What happened to the Girl Scouts?
     
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  15. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    On second thoughts.
    Bad things.
    Don't answer.
     
  16. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    The wikipedia article about it seems somewhat scant, but it at least provides an overview and clarifies what specific crime to search for.
     
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    I hope this synopsis has been stripped of all the things you don't want to know, while still making the issue understandable.

    Three young (the oldest was 10) Girl Scouts were raped and killed during a campout in Oklahoma in 1977. Gene Leroy Hart, a Cherokee (the wealthiest and most successful Native American tribe, due to the vast petroleum reserves discovered on the Oklahoma land where they were forcibly resettled after the "Trail of Tears" march from their homeland in Florida which killed about 1/4 of them), was charged with the crime and tried. He had been convicted of raping and murdering two pregnant women in 1973 in more-or-less the same vicinity, but escaped from prison and had been at large. He was not convicted of the new crime but he was returned to prison to complete the 305 years left of his original sentence. He died of a heart attack in the prison exercise yard in 1979.
     
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  18. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    If that was accurate then the murder tool would likely be an izmel (Circumcision Knife)

    It could lead to an interesting explanation about the brutality of the crimes themselves, a mixture of semantics for the dislike of "harlet" like women that dressed inappropriately to the religious conditioning and the fact that he was likely not just an amputee (Circumcised) himself but could well have been involved in being apart of the ceremonial act on boys of that faith.

    As for the Girl Scouts, the police probably ruled it a closed case by attributing it to the escapee. They wouldn't likely want to waste man hours chasing ghosts.
     
  19. forrest noble Registered Senior Member

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    Jack the Ripper victims, maybe Girl Scout leaders with a night job that didn't work out as well as hoped?

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