LOL! He challenges political orthodoxy, which gives him more legitimacy. The funny thing is, it could have been Bernie. But now even Bernie is siding with the establishment. It is a downward slide for the Democrats. People are watching and becoming solidified. Democrats are really vocal when protesting in the streets or at Town Hall Meetings, but Conservatives and moderates reserve their protest for the voting booth, which is where real change evolves.
Anybody that follows your lead and tries to beat the Reps at their own game is doomed, yes. Prove it. I haven't seen any evidence of that, and the polls show otherwise - Trump got a whole bunch of new voters from a demographic that did not vote much in past elections, and he got the Republican base, according to the polls. The point is that the Democrats did not have "full control" for even one complete budget cycle, let alone three or four years (whatever you meant by 2009 -2012).
What does any of that have to do with your assertion Trump is a martyr? Trump isn't Bernie and Bernie isn't Trump. They aren't at all similar. It couldn't have been Bernie because he lost. He lost the primary and there is no reason to believe he would have won the general election. Republicans favored Bernie just as they favored Clinton in 2008. They wanted to run against the weaker candidate. You want Democrats to be in a downward slide. But that want doesn't make it so. Yes Democrats are watching and becoming more solidified. We saw that this weekend. Let me remind you, Republicans were protesting in the streets in 2008-2009 and at town hall meetings. In 2000 they were on the streets and in voting offices trying to obstruct the vote counts. So your assertion that so called "conservatives" who are anything but conservative reserve their protest for the voting booth just doesn't hold up to the light of truth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...publicans-employ-double-standard-to-discredit
But he doesn't. I mean, he's vulgar and wildly dishonest when he talks, which is a bit unusual in a national politician elected to do the job of foreign diplomacy, but all of his actual proposals have been right down the Republican establishment pipe. Tax cuts for rich people, a lot of hardship and punitive measures visited on the usual targets for symbolic purposes, further rollbacks of New Deal legislation, military threats and posturing, nothing by way of competent governance - fascism as we have seen it, dominating the Republican Party, completely orthodox in the modern Republican manner.
Yet he's doing what he said he would do, or he is trying, which is very unlike most politicians. If the Democrats could have offered better, their candidate would be holding the office right now. Do you see how bad the Democrat alternative was? And it's not looking any better. Trump is a resounding "No!" to what was offered up by the Democrats. Look, had they given me a better choice, I would have voted their way. I'm a moderate, and there wasn't much to pick from--outsider or establishment. People are clawing for change,but the Democratic Party just can't grasp that reality.
We have been over this before, no evidence will satiate you, tell me has it ever occurred to you that many of those new voters would have voted for Sanders? Anyways this will go nowhere with you, your dead set on "we are doomed" so I see no reason to argue ad nausum. Oh boy so just because we only had a supermajority for a few month that not "full control" enough for you, ok. We had control of the house and senate and presidents for YEARS, the republicans had control for YEARS and no super-majority at all and still managed everything they wanted and ran the country into the ground. So clearly they can get shit done, we could not. Yeah obama said he would get us single payer... well he tried. Trump said he would ban all Muslims... well he tried. Has it ever occurred to you that politicians, or hucksters in trumps case, make promises then at best do a stunt that one might interpret as trying to complete said promise, while not actually achieving anything at all. Would you have voted for Bernie?
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He's not, and it wouldn't be all that unusual if he did. You being probably wrong about where the Trump votes came from is not the same as "we are doomed". No, the Dems did not. That is false - even before considering the Blue Dogs. No, he didn't. He took it off the table in advance, just as Clinton did. 1)The Reps filibustered everything, and voted as a Party bloc dedicated to preventing Obama from doing anything, anything at all - to the point of threatening to default on the public debt, and filibustering their own bills in the Senate. The Dems did neither. 2)When the goal is destruction, accomplishment is easier.
He's just getting started, Ice (4 weeks into the show). Depending on how many roadblocks the Democrats and other opponents in his path will cause some problems along the way.
I might have. We were looking for a rebel, he seemed to offer some hope. Though I thought his proposals regarding free healthcare and free education an impossibility, I liked his attitude regarding big money. I liked him as a person, though I wasn't certain about his capabilities as a leader. If I were to choose between him and Hillary, he would have been the clear choice. Bernie is the dreamer with good intentions. Definitely a socialist. I don't believe he would have made any real change other than adding a voice to concerns regarding corporate corruption within the system. I imagine his presidency would resemble the Carter era, a time of feel-good. Trump is the capitalist with good intentions. His attitude seems to be that of a business manager. Yeah, he's blunt and crude and direct, but that's what we like about him. His screw-you attitude reflects what a lot of people are feeling right now, hence his popularity. In short, there were two rebels in the mix. One rebel made it to the ballot (I blame the DNC for that). I honestly believe Bernie would be in office right now had he been given the chance. THERE IS NO WAY TRUMP CAN BE BLAMED FOR THE FAILURE(s) OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
Ice, here's what I could find from the least politicize source I know... Some would say that PBS is far Left, but I trust them to make an honest assessment and present the facts unfiltered. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/10-executive-actions-trump-signed-far/
And they are completely normal Republican initiatives - nothing in there extreme or even unusual for a Republican President, at all. Right? He's a Republican President, clearly representative of that Party and its voting base. I don't think the Democratic Party is responsible for the things it opposes and opposed, such as Donald Trump and what he does. The Republican Party nominated, backed, and elected Trump, against the will and the opposition and the warnings of (among other factions, such as me and my ilk) the Democratic Party.
He's a con man, he got the media got on board, and the Republican base bought his pitch. Apparently you guys learned nothing from Reagan and W, and need yet another lesson in what it's like to be governed by screw-you politicians. Living and learning about fascism: it's capitalist, oh yeah, but the "good intentions"? Not so much. Bohica, baby - it's 1981, and 2001, only starting from a lower base - because each time you guys do this it gets harder for your competent and liberal and reality based neighbors to dig the country back out and wash off the shit you shoveled on it. And this time, after the new Katrina, after the new 9/11, after the new Crash, after the next septic tank explosion that you voted for and danced around celebrating the hope of, the hope here is that you don't get a pass. A whole lot of people are going to be dedicated to trying to make sure that this latest one, the "Trump/Pence/Bannon" , stays your baby this time, and that after the reality of whatever this guy's Iraq War turns out to be goes belly up and starts to smell like Abu Ghraib, you guys don't get to just swap out your "Make America Great Again" chink-made gimme caps for tri-corner hats and little T-Party flags and the happy smiles of idiotic amnesia.
I have to question where you got "good intentions" from... so far, he has acted to strip as much regulation as possible, saying multiple times that it's because he has "friends who cannot make enough money" due to them... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...so-his-friends-can-borrow-money-a7562636.html I guess one could say he has the best of intentions when it comes to maximizing corporate profits... but screw us little guys?
Trump has done a good job of putting road blocks in his path. I don't think he needs to rely on Democrats for that. He has in his first few weeks demonstrated extraordinary capability in that regard.
The DNC helped lose the election for the Dems. What they did to Bernie was atrocious -- unforgivable.
