Do prophets hallucinate?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by aaqucnaona, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. timojin Valued Senior Member

    I am not sure more are needed then what are written in the book of Revelation
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  3. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    I'm a spiritual person, but what makes those prophets' revelations any more relevant than our revelations? Could we have revelations? I think that faith/spirituality isn't confined to other people's revelations, is what I'm driving at.
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  5. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    Do you think the people who lived at the same times as any of the biblical prophets (that is to say, c 1800 BC to 200 AD) knew about them or their predictions? Or took them seriously?
    There are all kinds of modern prophets - they publish whole books, and some of them even make lots of money with their mumbo-jumbo.
    It's just that they don't all belong to the same sect and can't be collected in one big book with which a conquering army beats all the natives over the head, so they won't be remembered.
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  7. timojin Valued Senior Member


    If God is involved the prophecy are valid for me , otherwise, you can take with a grain of salt.
    In the old time there were many prophets but there were not many who were God's messengers
    To take them seriously. I se prediction of the messiah was real , did the leaders of that time accepted, no, one thing . The Jews purpose in God's saying it was to spread the monotheism, they did not . Did the monotheism was spread after Yahshua ( Jesus ) it did, 300 years it spread over Europe , and now into the whole world.
    Zacharia was the last prophet and he mentioned that Jesus was to be born in bethlehem , The suffering of Jesus were mentioned by the prophet Isaiah, and there are many more such as Invasion on Judah by Babylonians, The help in restoring Jerusalem by Darius the great, and many more.
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    How does one establish that "God is involved"? Because the prophet said so?
  9. ajanta Registered Senior Member

    At first I have a description...

    Suppose( if we consider) both God and evil are exist....then I think, God will choice to hallucinate people to do believe rather than show evidence /evidence about God's ability, because data storage capacity of human brain is less than 3000 TB and though there are many artificial data storage also, but is it enough with intelligence ? If it isn't enough then evil will generate many question in our brain and make us confused !?! And God doesn't wanna transfar secrete data to evil(surah Jin 8-9)

    I mean we can show a TV to a little boy rather than give him the explanation of micro electronic components in tv and how it works and if God appears to us then simply evil will make us confused as ' Is it evil or God ?'.

    But really we haven't any perfect evidence that God and evil exist or not.

    May be there(personally I considered Quran) are many more revelation about us because once I heard there are many more revelation in holy book that are hidden and I found there is no revelation about the total number of revelations in Quran. So some times it seems about God's ability(almighty) to show in another space time and in our space time God is not almighty that I found so if God is almighty then God not almighty also.

    OR may be surah Kahf (65-82)
    can give you answer.
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  10. rakovsky Registered Member

    Yes, I have read the book of Isaiah, but I have no idea how what I wrote denies what is in the book of Isaiah.

    What I was denying is that the Prophet Mohammed is the one Prophet that comes to our minds when we talk about Prophets, because there are more Jews and Christians in the world than Muslims.

    I have no idea how anything Isaiah wrote means that when Jews or Christians hear the word "Prophet", they automatically think "Mohammed is the main prophet, not Isaiah or Elijah, even though we do believe in Isaiah and Elijah and don't believe in Mohammed".

    It's like not being able to tell a pencil from a car, sorry Timojin.

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    Maybe what you should have said in the OP is:
    "I tried to make a logical examination of the whether prophets have revelations or are hallucinating. I have used the example of Prophet Muhammad because I am from a Muslim background and that is what I am most familiar with."
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Hmm. My heritage is mainly Irish and Italian, with a little Austrian and French thrown in. No Israeli as far as I can tell. But everyone's different.
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

    In 2012, Mayans predicted the world would end via some cataclysmic event.
    In 2013, Grigori Rasputin predicted the Earth would end in a firestorm.
    In 2014, John Hagee and Mark Biltz announced that the "Blood Moon Prophecy" would result in the end of life on Earth.
    In 2016, the Youtube group "End Time Prophecies" predicted that the Earth would end in a "megaquake."
    In 2020, Jeane Dixon predicts that the Earth will end in the Biblical Armageddon.
    In 2026, Messiah Foundation International predicts that an asteroid will strike the Earth and destroy it.

    Someday an asteroid is going to strike Earth, and odds are some random group will have "predicted" it - just because someone seems to predict such things about once a year. Does that mean that their religion will be proven "right?"
  13. timojin Valued Senior Member

    I don't have come across that prediction from God, the prophets give a data they write " it will come to pass ". People look for signs and then extrapolate like scientists, but this is not real. I believe we just can not predict the date, even Jesus said no one knows but the, Father.
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Three of the above were "predictions from God." They quoted Revelation.
    Exactly. It's no more "real" than any of the other predictions in the Bible.

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