Do we live in the Matrix?

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by eram, Apr 22, 2013.

  1. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    Of course it does, and the things i found out back in 1992 when i was doing my alevels.

    It shows stuff is going on beyond what we know. These same people are saying there is nothing bigger than us, well yes there is. The problem whom is really running society.

    If science claims that they are the best humans have, thats rubbish. There is more going on to run our society than we know.

    I think it is on topic, as it shows that society is not what it seems, and most people have no idea.
     
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  3. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

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    Since you claim the uk gov was using sophisticated mind control weapons targeting people in school, please provide some evidence.
     
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  5. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    So how would i do that? Are these people going to come here and verify it, no.

    But i am telling you if these done this to me at school, and it was unheard of back then, i stumbled over it, and no one knew it. What else does no one know, and whom are these people, and where do they use there weapons from?

    If you do not know they use electronic mind control weapons on people, you have no chance of understanding whom is running our world at a higher level.

    Like i said earlier. All this rubbish about science trying to work out if we are in a matrix, is like ants trying to catch out humans. How would ants ever get a chance to con humans, to give them secrets, lol
     
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  7. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

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    What do you expect me to do? Believe you?

    Nah. I just wanna keep on topic, with respect to the news articles.
     
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    Everything changes from generation to generation.... There are a couple people bent on destroying the "status" and a couple players bent on building it to the next stage... some men have all the power... some can recreate the same destructive ideology within others... I guess the only difference is reality isn't based on Buddhist thoughts..... perhaps for those who do not understand how history works.
     
  10. Cheezle Hab SoSlI' Quch! Registered Senior Member

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    [video=youtube;qjGRySVyTDk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjGRySVyTDk[/video]
     
  11. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

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  12. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

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    So, what does this Zen-koan social commentary of yours have to do with the OP?

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  13. Cheezle Hab SoSlI' Quch! Registered Senior Member

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    The Dark Star video is about phenomenology. While not simulation exactly, it is a commentary on reality as is the Matrix.

    What does the Matrix have to do with the idea that the universe is a simulation? I guess it is superficially related. The idea of the universe being a simulation does not mean that it is possible that we could wake up in a different reality. The point of the Matrix is that the simulation is more real than "reality". Hyperreal. That is why the simulation looks like our world and the "real" world looks like science fiction with evil machines in control. That why Neo kept his money in the Book titled Simulacra and Simulation by Baudrillard.

    So there are two views of simulation. In one the simulation is false data or at least unreal or artificial in some way. That is my opinion and I think reasonable. In the other, the simulation is "hyperreal". More real than real. I thought this was all obvious to a Matrix aficionado, but maybe not. The Matrix is about us living in the hyperreal world constructed by society and TV product placements and all the other artificial realities around us every day.

    The Wachowski siblings put lots of references to their pet philosophies in the movie. The Baudrillard book is not the only philosophy book placed purposefully in the films. But I guess I am just spinning my wheels. Nothing to see here, move along ... move along.
     
  14. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

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    It makes us debate our notions of existence.
     
  15. IncogNegro Banned Banned

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    Huh? That was the hierarchy of Budhism...
     
  16. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

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    And what does it have to do with the thread topic?
     
  17. IncogNegro Banned Banned

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    Oh... Society running simulations.... I guess My brain can stop planning where its own knowledge leads then. That would save years of time.
     
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    3D Matrix > 2D lattice

    3D Matrix > 2D lattice

    The minimal 3D matrix is tetra(4)hedron or perhaps the Isotropic Vector Matrix( IVM ) i.e. a combination of tetra(4)hedra and octa(8)hedra.

    The minimal 2D lattice is the tri(3)angle, however we have both an open set triangle--- ex Y ---and a closed triangular set, here again tho, perhaps to be a lattice it needs to be a subdivided triangle ergo place the 'Y' inside the the closed triangle set to get a subdivided triangular lattice as 3 triangle within one larger triangle ergo a total of 9 angles.

    This latter lattice scenario is also the 3D tetrahedron when it is half-way between turning itself inside-out.

    In the 3D IVM scenario, if the tetra(4)hedron turns itself inside-out, then the octa(8)hedron becomes nucleated with a tetrahedron.

    The root prefix of matrix is ma. Mama or momma or mother.

    The root prefix of lattice .."it's a prefix and could be the root word. It means side, or side-by-side Examples: lattice, latitude, or lateral.'...

    Some believe we live in 2D lattice with and illusion of 3D ex jacabo Bekenstiens black hole and holographic scenarios.

    Others believe 2D is inherent only because of the existence of 3D ergo 3D matrix is the mother/mama of all existence.

    This may get us into absolute and relative truths, coexistent and complemenatary to each other, i.e. one set of 2D does not exist without the complementary 3D set. I dunno. Just another naive cosmic explorer.

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  19. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    I recall a very old thread similar to this. And I keep saying where is that darn Pill. Where is Morphious and Neo..
    (And what if... there is a small truth ... We are really, that we are part of a real Matrix. DNK). Have you really paid close attention to the first Matrix Movie?
     
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    There is something fundamentally wrong with all these "the universe is a simulation" arguments; and that is, how do you account for our self-awareness?

    If you play video games, you're well aware that we can program an artificial reality populated by interesting beings who interact with each other for our amusement.

    But it does not follow that these beings are conscious. I used to love playing Ms. PacMan back in the day ... but I never thought the little monsters were self-aware.

    If you program a simulation, that's one thing. But for a being to be self-aware, that's entirely another. So "simulation" is not the right word. A high school student can build a simulated software world these days. But nobody thinks the entities in the simulation are self-aware.

    I never see this accounted for. If we're a "simulation," we are a very unusual one ... we're Ms. PacMan made conscious. I call bullpucky on the whole idea. We have no idea how to create a software or hardware object that has self-awareness.
     
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    Logically duplicated computers.
     
  22. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Due to the Matrix film, the term "Latticing" is more likely to be used.

    Funny enough the concept of the universe as a simulator actually pre-date's the films, the only reason why a Red or Blue pill would ever exist is the same reason why people are hellbent on chasing the dream of building an illusive lightsaber.
     
  23. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Yet we are suppose to buy into a belief (or theory take your pick) that the Universe popped into exist, that energy manifested into matter, that matter manifested into star systems that contain planets of which life could potentially miraculously be spawn and evolve (through millions of years) into a guy pondering(through self-awareness) how the universe being simulated is "bullpucky". It get's all very "Q.E.D." with pot's and Kettles right about now.
     

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