Do you support Mr. Kavanaugh or Dr. Ford?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Xelor, Sep 21, 2018.

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Should Brett Kavanaugh be confirmed by the Senate?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2019.
  1. Yes, and I'm a Democrat

    4.5%
  2. No, and I'm a Democrat

    18.2%
  3. Yes, and I'm a Republican

    9.1%
  4. No, and I'm a Republican

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Yes, and I'm neither Democrat nor Republican

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. No, and I'm neither Democrat nor Republican

    54.5%
  7. I don't want to respond to the poll. Just show me the results.

    13.6%
  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Blah blah blah

    Being female is a crime and females are stupid.
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Is that your bottom line?
    or
    Did you wish to rephrase that?
     
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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    I'm sorry, but have you seen how Republican males (and some females for that matter) have decided to treat Ford?

    Apparently she is too stupid enough to not remember who assaulted her.

    The whole 'we believe her, but we just don't believe she knows who tried to rape her' spiel keeps on ringing from the right.

    It's not Beer's bottom line. It has been the effluent flowing out of the right for a while now.

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    From Roy Moore, who they endorsed, to the embracing of the Duggar's, to Kavanaugh, who they threw down for, despite his sexually assaulting a 15 year old girl when he was 17...

    It's not that they believe women are stupid. It's that they think we should just shut up and take it.

    Time for you to own it.
     
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  7. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know what you mean, could you explain?
     
  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Well I won't answer for Beer's hyperbola, but Bells has a point you can't refute: the republicans have no moral qualms about who they back, so long as he has a (R) behind his name they will vote for him, he can be a open pederast, pussy grabbing, accused rapist, disgusting pig and they will vote for him, and defend him, and disparage his victims!

    If democrats had an ounce of that kind of brutal loyalty Hillary would have won easily, email scandal be damned.
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    *eek*

    I'm a a women, hence, I do not deserve to be responded to.
     
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    IMHO the democrats used Ford, and used her badly.

    Absent corroboration, anyone could have seen how this would play out.
    But the desperate and despicable democrats trotted her out much like an organ grinder's monkey.
    And, left her to suffer her indignity on national TV, with no regard for the emotional suffering that she is likely to endure.
    The supplied lawyers didn't even bother to tell her that she could have testified in private. (she should probably sue them for malfeasance)
    She was but tissue paper for a partisan game---use her once, then throw her away.
     
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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Given that she was the driving force behind her accusation - that's not fact-based. (Perhaps it is a good alternative fact, however.)
    Unfortunately for your smear, she trotted herself out.
     
  12. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Did you forget that Christine Blasey Ford initially requested confidentiality?
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    You don't get to say this.

    If they used her badly, what your side did to her continues to be an abomination.

    What the GOP did to her was and continues to do to her is despicable.

    In the wake of Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearing, mockery of sexual assault victims seems to have become a Republican talking point: Donald Trump openly mocked Dr. Christine Blasey Ford at a rally, his son mocked a then-anonymous Ford with an Instagram post, and other Republican officials and candidates have been following suit: In the past two weeks, a North Carolina county official shared a fake photo of Christine Blasey Ford suggesting she wasn’t hot enough to be sexually assaulted in high school; Iowa Rep. Steve King recently shared a disgusting meme of Ford and Hillary Clinton that implied Ford’s allegations are part of a left-wing conspiracy.
     
  14. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    My side?
    I caucused for dennis kucinich
    I caucused for bernie sanders

    You seem to want to see the simplicity of dichotomy when everything is actually quite 3 dimensional.
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Did you forget that she was the one who insisted on an FBI investigation, then asked to testify?
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    No you as an individual need to answer questions directed to you.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    He lied on TV, to everyone watching with a lick of sense or an internet connection with a search engine.
    No FBI investigation required - the links to lists of open lies are all over these threads.
    He did, in a couple of cases - the more severe ones, as it happens.
    There'd be no hypocrisy involved. You seem incapable of recognizing that.
    But you can still take it as a warning from the front - almost nobody in Minnesota is going to vote for Tina Smith because they admire the way the Dems handled Franken. Nobody at all. She's not running on that - she's put some distance between herself and the Franken debacle, because a reputation for being manipulated into doing dumb stuff for bullshit reasons is a handicap in Minnesota. And it can cost the Dems a Senate seat they kind of need.
    To Republicans, sure. So? It does anyway. Quit trying to suck up to those people - it won't work. They are never going to be impressed with your self-assessments of the image you want to project.
    These women you presume to insult as stupid and gullible - the large majority of Democratic and strongly feminist women in Minnesota, an impressive crowd if you've ever met them - aren't believing their own rhetorical idiocies, or talking themselves into rhetorical corners where they must injure themselves on principle like some kind of Chinese footbinders. So - - - stupid? gullible? mirror handy?
    These kinds of fantasies, if promulgated too widely, will hurt a lot of people. They may cost the Dems Senate seats, even House leadership.

    The Dems were not strong here. They were dunked on, judo-thrown, beaten like rented mules and redheaded stepchildren, bullied into submission and abjection, and partly by their own hands. If they don't know that, they're in trouble.

    Again.
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Sure. Almost certainly.
    But nobody knows what they are, yet. It's a new field.
    That's the wingnut line, sure - the "bothsides" narrative, the media deflection of Republican accountability that is your humble opinion in all such matters.

    When the Republicans denied Ford, Ramirez, Whetley, Ludington, and a dozen others, their normal and routine FBI investigation - third party support for the facts - what in your opinion should Ford have done?
     
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  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Some are, some aren't.
    It's a big one. As long as you don't fall into the "so it's the only one" trap then you are good.
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    you think some people are socialized with a sexual preference? ... Does that mean gay conversion therapy can work?

    I stated repeatedly it is not the only factor, or even the major factor for some behaviors.

    untrue, we know of many, sexual preferences for one.

    Also I've put the Franken debacle behind me, so long as Tina wins. Right now 538 is giving Tina a 88.4% chance of winning.

    Also approval for trump and the republicans has been gaining since the ford vs Kav testimonies which could mean the republicans are gaining traction with their propaganda it was all democrat smear.
     
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  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I guess they were silly to hope any Republican had a conscience.
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Some people are socialized to express one or the other, yes. Imagine a bisexual born in Utah in 1930 and raised in a Mormon farming household. Now compare that to a bisexual born today in San Francisco, going to college at UCLA. The former will tend to express as a heterosexual; the latter is more likely to express as gay.

    Note that this does not mean that socialization has made their preference "go away" - it just means that they're expressing a part of that preference depending on their socialization.
    Nope.
    Good!
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    yeah but you would have to be born bisexual to begin with.
     

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