Do you support Mr. Kavanaugh or Dr. Ford?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Xelor, Sep 21, 2018.

?

Should Brett Kavanaugh be confirmed by the Senate?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2019.
  1. Yes, and I'm a Democrat

    4.5%
  2. No, and I'm a Democrat

    18.2%
  3. Yes, and I'm a Republican

    9.1%
  4. No, and I'm a Republican

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Yes, and I'm neither Democrat nor Republican

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. No, and I'm neither Democrat nor Republican

    54.5%
  7. I don't want to respond to the poll. Just show me the results.

    13.6%
  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    30,994
    But we don't know what the role of the genetics is - if any.
    And you don't know which ones, or how it factors in for the others.

    Nobody does. It's a new field.
    - - - -
    Meanwhile, the first official act of our new Supreme Court Justice was to appear at a Republican campaign rally with Donald Trump.
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2018
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,644
    ?? Right. Sexual orientation is a continuum. Which is why, for _some_ people, socialization has an effect.
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,476
    The Russians would have to be damned fools to waste money in eroding faith in our political system when the politicians seem delighted to do the job themselves.
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    30,994
    Then they are damned fools.
    Because they've been doing exactly that - and with no small success, including the recent damage to the Supreme Court's credibility via their asset Presidency.
     
  8. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,523
    No they were born on the continuum, that have the impulses regardless if society lets them express it or not.

    Evolution? It just seems like an appeal to the unknown denial from you, that without perfect knowledge therefor we can question if it is even there at all, I hear the same things from creationist.

    Hopefully his victory will make republicans feel content and less of them will come out to vote, all we have left if hope.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,644
    Uh, yeah, that's what I said. Socialization has an effect on how people express their sexuality.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,644
    They got good value for their money. We will now not contest anything they do. Putin was a genius; he both undermined our faith in government and installed a Russian puppet in the presidency for the low cost of a few hundred million.
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,476
    So, you would claim that the supreme court lacks credibility?

    How does that strengthen the people's faith in their political system?

    Would you destroy your country out of spite?
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    30,994
    I'm not appealing to the unknown, I'm observing it. What does that deny, except a false claim of knowledge?
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    30,994
    ? I stated the exact opposite - one cannot damage what does not exist, after all.
    There's some left, even after Kavanaugh's seating.
    Reading comprehension problems, or just caught up in the wingnut attack reflex?
    Not me. The Trump voters might, obviously, and Trump himself would not hesitate - as the Kavanaugh nomination demonstrates, among many other Trump destructions. Take out enough bricks, the building falls.
    Meanwhile the Russians are happy to aid and abet, as they have been.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,523
    Its not a false claim of knowledge to say when we have significant evidence and a working model, just because we can point at specific genes yet, well for some cases we can, does not mean that it a behavior majority cause is biological.

    That is silly, are you going to tell me a if a homosexual is raised to be straight acts straight but deep down wants to go to a gay bar, then he is still straight? There is a difference between expression and what a person really feels.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    30,994
    You have a bunch of poorly understood correlations, of unknown significance.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,644
    If a woman has a vague attraction towards other women - but never acts on it, is never bothered by it, marries a man, likes the sex and decides she is straight - then she is straight. No matter what you think.

    She, not you, decides her sexual orientation.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,644
    It just got a little less credible, yes.

    We have a Supreme Court justice campaigning for the President. That undermines the credibility and impartiality of the Supreme Court.
     
  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,523
    • Please do not post gratuitous sexual content on sciforums, or demean women.
    Well a vague attraction to other women is not a bisexual, on a Kensey scale that is like a one.

    Oh so can she decide to be otherkin to? Look it could be quantified if she wanted to know for sure and not live in her delusion: just attach some probes to clitoris and have her watch porn and actually quantify how aroused she gets. This is all low brain stuff outside of conscious control, no matter how much she want to lie to her self that she straight or not.

    "There are several novel findings from these two studies. First, we found significant genetic influences accounting for around half the variation in extrapair mating in both sexes, confirming biological underpinnings to the behaviour. Second, we found a near-zero cross-sex correlation in extrapair mating—that is, 697 brother–sister pairs showed no similarity in likelihood of having extrapair mates. A nearzero cross-sex correlation means that extrapair mating in females is unlikely to be strongly affected by correlated response to selection on extrapair mating in males. Third, we found a significant gene-based association between SNP variation in the AVPR1A gene and extrapair mating in women, providing some support for a role in humans analogous to the gene's apparent role in differentiating the behaviour of monogamous and non-monogamous vole species."

    Ok if you are going to call that "poorly understood correlations, of unknown significance" then we might as well through out all of evolution as well.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    21,644
    And if she goes to a different college instead, lives in the women's independent living group, takes an interest in a woman there, develops a relationship and comes out as a lesbian? Will you be there telling her she's not a _real_ lesbian because she doesn't have the right score on your test? People change - and not always in the way you want them to.
    That's the problem with the LGBT community these days. Not enough guys like you running around attaching probes to women's clitori so you can tell them what orientation they are.
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,523
    Its a part of her brain stem, it may change but it does not do so consciously. Look lets say she went to a gay conversion center afterwards, would it change then? Considering the rate that doesn't work I don't believe so, we have no evidence outside utero development that sexual preferences are altered.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, look I deal with precision, if you want to live thinking your otherkin, that your business I'm not going to stop you. If you want to live in your own reality that fine by me, but the reality you feel and reality that is quantifiable may be different, if you don't want to know the truth, fine, I'm not forcing you, ignorance is bliss, you can believe in free will and consciousness too, that fine, but in reality its well, its like centrifugal force: fictitious.
     
  21. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    16,479
    i worry about entering into lawful stupid or good is dumb territory. being principled is good and all but you cant allow ones principles be used against you which im afraid is going to happen. your not wrong. its real easy to start justifying things and than wake up one day wondering how the hell you got on the side of evil and path to hell. ergo if you remember when the franken debacle came out i came back hard against bells. I firmly believe and still do her reaction to it and the continuing belief that running franken out of the senate was best way to serve womens' and the left interests as lawful stupid and good is dumb. for every choice and action there is a price and anyone unconcerned with that price is not someone who should be making that decision.
     
  22. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    16,479
    don't mistake lack of principles as loyalty they are a cut throat bunch all to willing to stab each other in the back
     
  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,523
    I wish! But when trump won the primary they all bent over for him and stabbed anyone that had a ounce of sanity.

    On to some good news: https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/politics/cnn-poll-kavanaugh-confirmation/index.html

    Most people other then republicans became less keen for kav.
     

Share This Page