Do you think that AI will ever feel emotions?

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  1. river

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    Not a guess pad but fact , there never was a begining to this Universe .
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Fact??? Reference please???

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  5. river

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    Go back to post#255 , pad .
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Sure!

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    So what?
    How can you stand there and say that is a reference for an infinite universe?
    Why don't you just admit you don't know and are guessing?
    https://astronomy.com/news/2020/03/is-the-universe-infinite
    First, it’s still possible the universe is finite. All we know for sure (mostly for sure) is that it’s bigger than we can observe, essentially because the farthest edges of the universe we can see don’t look like edges. The observable universe is still huge, but it has limits. That’s because we know the universe isn’t infinitely old — we know the Big Bang occurred some 13.8 billion years ago.
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...-universe-finite-or-infinite/?sh=74a3fb694967
    What I'd like to see discussed whether the universe is finite or infinite, and why it might be either.
    We just don't know.
    http://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Is_the_Universe_finite_or_infinite_An_interview_with_Joseph_Silk#:~:text=No.,a plane is normally%2
    No. We do not know whether the Universe is finite or not. To give you an example, imagine the geometry of the Universe in two dimensions as a plane. It is flat, and a plane is normally infinite. But you can take a sheet of paper [an 'infinite' sheet of paper] and you can roll it up and make a cylinder, and you can roll the cylinder again and make a torus [like the shape of a doughnut]. The surface of the torus is also spatially flat, but it is finite. So you have two possibilities for a flat Universe: one infinite, like a plane, and one finite, like a torus, which is also flat.
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    And finally river old mate, the next reputable link explains how the universe did have a beginning at the BB, but could still be infinite.
    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
     
  8. river

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    Imagine the Universe is Fundamentally Three Dimensional , which it actually is . Then what do you think pad ?
     
  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And therein lies your problem...Stop imaging, stop being so obtuse...stop railing against anything mainstream...stop supporting the Plasma/Electric universe crap that has been debunked conclusively.
    The universe is fundamentally four dimensional......length, breadth, height and time.
     
  10. river

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    If I take away time nothing happens to breadth , height and length , the absence of time does not collapse the other three .

    Take away any of the three from the three you collapse the other two as well as time .
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Breadth, height and length when?

    False, or show me a Reference???
     
  12. river

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    pad Think about this ;

    If I take away time nothing happens to breadth , height and length , the absence of time does not collapse the other three .

    Take away any of the three from the three you collapse the other two as well as time .
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously you are incapable of showing anything to support your claims.....
    so here.............




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  14. river

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    Thanks for the video .

    String Theory based on the three fundamental dimensions of this Universe , Depth , length and breadth . Take any of the three away , collapses String Theory .
     
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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Have you ever considered that the reverse may be true? Take away strings (or fractals) and all three spatial dimensions collapse...

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    Don't dismiss this out-of-hand.......

    Causal dynamical triangulation (abbreviated as CDT)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_dynamical_triangulation
     
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  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You keep making blanket claims without evidence or argument in support.

    That is worthless.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Is there a requirement that an awareness of change has to be a conscious experience? Can it just be a comparative state?

    Emotion
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion

    When your car is running low of fuel, it warns the driver by a red "low fuel" light. This is a clear indication that the car's control system is detecting a state which presents a problem to the driver. It may not be emotionally involved in that action, but is it a differential awareness between a state of well-being as compared to a state of ill-being?
     
  18. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    The reality is that any Computer Language will be translated to Machine Code otherwise called Assembly Code. Here's all you have with a typical set of machine Code:

    Math: Add, Sub, Mult, Div
    Binary Logic: Or, And, Xor
    Move Data: Mov RAM to RAM, Mov RAM to CPU, Move CPU to RAM,
    Jump Execution: Unconditional, Conditional (=, <, >)

    There isn't much else.

    Which operation above is going to give the Computer an Emotion to care about you?

    Furthermore:
    Which operation above is going to be a Thought for a Computer?
    Which operation will be an experience of Pain for the Computer?
    Which operation will be an experience of Pleasure for the Computer?
    Which operation will be an experience of Fear for the Computer? (I'm not getting into a Self Driving Car without this one)
    Etc.?
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Listen to this interchange between Sophia, AI and Philip K Dick, AI



    and a little background.

     
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  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The reality is that human thought is a product of chemical and electrical impulses exchanged between neurons in the brain. All you have with a typical brain is neurons and their connections. There isn't much else.

    Which operation of the human brain gives it an emotion that can care about you?

    Which operation gives pain, pleasure and fear?
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    It appears brain constructs emotions from previous situations

    Feel sad about something, next time much same situation, cue much same emotion

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  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Michael:

    Try following the context of the discussion.
     
  23. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, that is the Hard Problem of Consciousness for the Human Mind. Your confidence that Human Consciousness is just Neural Activity (chemical electrical processes, connections) is not justified. There is no known Science that can causally show how such Neural Activity can produce Conscious Sensory Experiences in the Mind, such as Redness, the Standard A Tone, the Salty Taste, etc.. It is all just a Belief and a Hope at this point in time. Likewise, there is no known Science that can causally show how those fundamental Computer operations can produce Consciousness in the Machine. It is pure Superstition to think that those operations are producing Consciousness. We don't even know what Consciousness is in Humans, so saying authoritatively what Consciousness is in Computers is just nonsensical.
     

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