Do you think that AI will ever feel emotions?

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by wegs, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    No, you are wrong. I would be asking for the Design Documentation for the faster than 60 miles per hour aircraft. When the Documentation could be provided the new Aircraft could be built. Documentation existed in the 19th century and in the 20th century. So if you are saying that AI will be Non Documentable then you don't understand the Engineering Design process. Also, if it is Non Documentable, then you are barking up the Superstition and Belief tree.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Commercial airliners didn't exist in the 19th century. There was no documentation.

    The techno-cynics - like you - were, technically - correct. No lighter-than air craft was ever going to fly faster than 60mph.

    And yet, here we are, flying at 500mph.
     
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  5. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    The point is that there is Documentation now that Commercial Airliners are possible and there will have to be Documentation of some kind in the future for whatever AI will be Developed into. My argument about Documentation is mainly directed at the people that say AI is already Conscious. So if AI is Conscious today, then they need to show the Documentation and point to the Design components that are responsible for this Consciousness. Pretty straight forward request.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No that's not the point at all.

    The point is that - just because we can't say how it will work in the future - doesn't mean you, here, now, have anything to say about what won't happen in the future.


    Oh look. You're replying to some argument that exists in your own mind rather than what we were actually talking about. That's called a red herring.

    I think you need to take some time, collect your thoughts and try to avoid getting sidetracked in the middle of a thought.
     
  8. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    It started with someone talking about AI having an Imagination with current technology. I said that you will need to show me the Imagination Module of the Software. I was making the point that if you can't show me the Imagination Module then the AI does not have Imagination. You are the one that went off the rails of that train of thought into some infantile claim about having Documentation of future technology disproves something I said.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No it didn't. You may have inferred that on your own, but the contributor (W4U) said nothing about current technology.
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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  11. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    The Link says: "This portrait, however, is not the product of a human mind. It was created by an artificial intelligence, an algorithm defined by that algebraic formula with its many parentheses". That is the usual Deception and Hype that AI Marketing strategists love. To say there is no Human Mind acting here is false. It is a Human Mind, or team of Human Minds, that Programmed the Equations into the Software. The Human Minds knew that they wanted to create paintings with their Software and put in the appropriate Equations. The Equations themselves are the Product of Human Minds. The AI (Program) that drew the picture had no Desire to draw a Picture, and did not know it drew a Picture. The AI had no sense of Pleasure in drawing the Picture. The Designers however, had a Desire to draw the Picture using the Equations, and the Designers knew they drew the Picture and felt Pleasure in drawing the Picture. So was it the AI or actually the Human Minds that drew the Picture?
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. And it exhibits imagination, even though it's not from a human mind, or indeed any biological mind. Sorta disproves your point, eh?
    The AI - by any sane definition. The AI drew it, and then a different part of the same AI looked at it and said "yeah, that's pretty good, it's a keeper."[/QUOTE]
     
  13. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    I can only assume you do AI Software marketing for a living.
     
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Not even close.

    OTOH we definitely know you don't work at all with AI.
     
  15. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    The Irony is that, as a practicing Electronics/Software Engineer working in the industry , I actually have worked on AI based design projects. You Marketing people are Essential for selling products, but you should not argue with an actual Designer about what is really going on with the Software and the Hardware.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You're a funny guy.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    As you said: decades ago. It's a fast-developing field.
    Don't try to get into a whizzing contest.
     
  18. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    I keep up with the technologies and I can tell you that a lot of people are hyperventilating what this stuff is capable of doing. I understand hyping it up to sell products, but I am going to point out the Over Hyped advertisement of AI Software when I see it, and I see it all over the place.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Huh. And here I am, designing the hardware for AI-based systems for force protection, using the highest end commercial AI modules on the planet right now. But by all means let's go with your decades-old opinions on this stuff.
     
  20. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Has anyone answered my original question? Cliff notes, please?

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  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    They will be capable of behavior that makes them look like they care about us. Indeed, in an ecosystem where some 'survive' and some don't based on their behavior, evolution will tend to steer them in that direction. Whether that means they actually care about us will be debated ad infinitum.
     
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  22. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    So, they’ll be like our government?

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    I like your answer, billvon. You’re probably right.
     
  23. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Robots created that develop emotions in interaction with humans
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100809094527.htm

    The emotional intelligence of caregiver robots that read people's expressions/behavior and respond appropriately according to social conventions or job standards.

    Since they don't have biological tissues that react to the introduction of function-specific biochemicals in the bloodstream, the physiological sensations we feel when angry, hungry, sad, etc aren't going to privately be there. It's "love" as automatic duty, which ironically is more reliable and bereft of duplicity (as long as the latter capacity isn't installed and the systems do a good job of interpreting their "sensory" data correctly).
     
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