# Do you think that AI will ever feel emotions?

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by wegs, Sep 10, 2019.

1. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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Nope. They are weighted connections. MWR is a mathematical method for solving differential equations. That's different.

3. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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OK. That's calculating averages.

I was thinking more simply that weighted values (of any kind) inherently contain a differential equation.

See the weighted bimetallic thermometer in post #430.
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a simple scale with unequal weights

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8. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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I did not say otherwise. A differential equation exists between objects of different weights, regardless of form, i.e. in dynamical systems, like the universe .

Differential equation

Schematic depiction of a function described metaphorically as a "machine" or "black box" that for each input yields a corresponding output.
Applications
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_equation

Dynamical systems theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory

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9. ### river

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There is Always an equation . No surprise . All physical objects have mathematics because they are three dimensional physical objects . Hence have shape .

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10. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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• Please post on topic. Do not proselytise.
I agree, that is my position.
But if ALL physical objects are mathematical patterns, it follows that Physical reality has an underlying (inherent) mathematical aspect. Without the mathematics there would be no physical reality of any kind. Atoms would not exist. The Table of Elements would not exist. Nothing could or would exists.

11. ### river

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Prove that mathematics causes the patterns , in and of its self . And that no physical objects and dynamics is not involved . Not refered to You can't .

12. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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• Please post on topic. Do not proselytise.
All physical objects ARE mathematical patterns of various value densities. We have symbolized these expressed patterns with the term Physics.

Cause and Effect is not a purely physical or teleological function, it's a deterministic mathematical function.

One might say that mathematics are the idealized guiding equations yielding variable physical results, depending on external pressures.

Witness David Bohm's; "Implicate Order" (enfolded potential ability), and "Explicate Order" (unfolded potential expression).
These two states (orders) are both mathematical in essence, but not both physical in reality and may not necessarily become expressed in physical reality.

Example: a mountain lake has the mathematical potential for conversion into enormous electric energy, but until we build a gravity fed turbine/generator this potential will remain dormant and "unrealized" as a teleological (goal oriented) function.

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13. ### river

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All based on the Physical .

External Pressures based on the Physical .

The patterns of the physical is Natural to the fundamental existence of anything physical . Without patterns , consistency , the physical could not exist . Mathematics just draws out these patterns within the physical structure . Hence the awareness of patterns .

14. ### river

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There are no patterns that exist in space devoid of anything physical .

15. ### Steve KlinkoRegistered Senior Member

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What do you mean, it calculates differential equations? Do you mean that the Weights can be set with DE?

16. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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A differential equation is the rate of difference between two values.
Electrical current is produced by the differential equation between a positive and a negative pole.

17. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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An AI depends on electrical differential equations which it can detect, monitor and measure. IMO, that's tantamount to a form of "feeling".
Does a thermometer feel temperature? Does a thermostat feel the room temperature falling and turn on the furnace?
AI may not be a sentient biological organism but it can be a sensory mechanical system. Does that count?

18. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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This is an egregious mangling of what these things actually are. As usual, you've taken some things you've read and mixed the words up (including dropping a bunch) because you do not grasp the meaning. For some reason, you don't think this is obvious to everyone else.

And that wouldn't be so bad, except you then compound the problem by leveraging that error to make more errors:

19. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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No Dave it isn't. I have posted the scientific definition of "differential equation" before in relation to biology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_equation
How so?
What is wrong with this example?

Sample problem - Thermometer
https://eleceng.dit.ie/gavin/Control/Modeling/SP Thermometer.htm

If you can model it, you can construct a differential equation measuring device.

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20. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 71 years oldValued Senior Member

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Bad or good DaveC426913 do you think safe to take WU off Iggy?

21. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Please don't. I have yet to see a constructive correction by the usual commentators of my "bad" science other than the usual ad hominem.

And to stay on topic;

Emotion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion

Here is a comprehensive list of differential equations and measurement/control mechanisms;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_named_differential_equations#Classical_mechanics

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22. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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Whether or not you have elsewhere is irrelevant, you didn't post it here where you try to use this word salad to support your next conclusion.

It's as baseless as the premises it's founded on. And as usual, you think that just mashing words together makes them mean real things.

23. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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That you have yet to see them is part of the ongoing problem.

Also, you still don't know what an ad hominem is. (An another extant example of you not seeing your own errors.)

An ad hominem is an attack on the person behind the argument. I am dismantling your arguments - the ones you present here with your own words.

I don't think anyone has addressed anything that you yourself have not first laid out on the table here. Show me I'm wrong.

To do that, you'll have to roll back a number of posts with baseless assertions.

No matter how high you try to build your argument, it's built on faulty foundations, and will not stand up.

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