Do you think that AI will ever feel emotions?

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by wegs, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is assuming "care" needs be a voluntary emotion. Empathy is a voluntary emotion. Care is a (moral) duty.
    Therefore, an algorithm and Care command may be programmed into an AI as a function.

    Example: "Protect" is a care command which allows the AI to take offensive action against a perceived threat.
     
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  3. river

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    Empathy is a Evolutionary emotion .
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes it is. You can't do both at the same time.
    Yes, I was just filling in the blanks, which you cleverly omitted...

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    No, it is an example of my ability to read between the lines. Your response confirms I was right on target......

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    Dave, I don't mind sparring like that, but as I suggested , start a new thread and let's not sidetrack this one.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. It is a chemical response by the mirror neuron network to observed behavior in others. On second thought, it is actually an involuntary emotion.
    Question is if a mirror network can be programmed in an AI. Sophia is a rudimentary example.
    She can read facial expressions and recognize the emotions behind them.

    Perhaps it is not so much a matter of AI experiencing feelings as an AI understanding human feelings.
    Facial expressions are the most obvious indications of human emotions.


     
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  8. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Emotions are strong physical effects driven by the unconscious, so saying involuntary emotion is redundant.

    Empathy consist of the feeling "as if" the individual would be the distant individual (so 2 bodies feeling the same effects but only one is impacted by the real effect).
    I have experienced myself this kind of empathic feeling (feeling is not emotion, it is not related to strong physical effects but just effects).
    Saying that i suppose you just say, "he is kidding, saying he has experienced empathy as if this would be something special".
    Yes, sure, because you are perhaps (or not) doing confusion between empathy and emotion.

    You can have emotion when you see someone being hurt, but this is not empathy, it is much likely a behaviour that permit to avoid the same fate.

    You have empathy when you see someone cry and you cry.
    You have empathy when you see someone being hurt... and you feel yourself the hurt and the pain going with the hurt.
    You feel really the pain, like if the pain were yours, it is no only emotion, it is real feeling of the same qualia.
    This work with our species but it works with other species too.
    You can per example feel the pain of an injured animal, at the same place where the animal is injured.

    You can not understand empathy is you never exeperienced it.
    There are ways to become empathic, but it is difficult to remain empathic in a world like our, where there is so much pain (if you are extremely empathic you will suffer from the pain you have around you and you will not even be able to do anything any more... because you could cause pain.)
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right.
    Yep, you cringe when you see someone hit his thumb with a hammer, even as you don't physically experience any pain.
    Disagree, empathy can be embarrassing or useful when watching a porno movie.....

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    Incorrect. Watching someone hurt themselves produces the exact same chemical response as in the victim. It is the very definition of empathy.
    Yes, but your thumb is not turning blue. His pain is physical, your pain is imaginary.
    Right.
    I agree. My empathic responses are very strong. That's why I consider myself an empath.
    True, that's why so many people suffer from depression.
     
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  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Both what, exactly? Where have you misunderstood my words this time?

    Don't. That's what we've all been trying to tell you all along! You read things and misunderstand them!

    The dark corners to which I refer aren't in anyone's head. What do I care what's in someone's head? What I care about is what they write in dark corners of this forum, buried under 400 posts or so. It's any science-minded member's right and responsibility to correct errors.

    You are side-tracking it with falsehood and nonsense. I'm here to correct them.

    Stop writing falsehoods.
     
  11. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    There is a subtility here.
    Emotion is not empathy, feeling has to do with empathy.

    But perhaps you are right because it depend of the definition of emotion.
    I see here that there are now 27 types of "emotions", including "empathic pain".

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emotions

    Yes, the thumb is not turning blue, but the pain is the same, so physical (imaginary pain is not pain).
    The empath feel really the pain like the one (or almost) he would feel if he would be injured himself.
     
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  12. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    So now concerning the emotions (or feelings) a living organism could experience, it would be, in my opinion , a mistake to do the analogy with the one a non living organism could experience.

    Living organisms experience emotion.
    Non living organisms experience xxxxxx (replace xxxxxx with a new appropriate word)
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No.
    Non living organisms do not 'experience' at all. Full stop.
     
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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You cannot both ignore and protect the community from an individual's non-science.

    The rest is irrelevant.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Differential Equation.
     
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    Non living Organisms experience nothing . But they do interact .
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Sophia (AI) commenting on the spread ofCovid virus

     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Then "correct the error", don't try to correct the individual's motives or interests.

    Anytime I am actually corrected on science I express my appreciation. I am aware of my limitations, I am also aware of my ability to think logically. What I lack is formal education, but that does not make me stupid or delusional. I have been called these names in the act of "correcting my scientific errors". I do not consider that productive exchange.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Much like a nurse in a hospital looking after an ill patient, I don't need to have 24/7 in-person surveillance.

    The Ignore feature allows me to control when and how often I have deal with your errors.

    I'd rather not have to modify my schedule just so you don't choke to death on your own verbal emesis.
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I do. See post 473.

    There's no "correction" to you mangling stuff you read on the internet and regurgitating here.
    The only correction is "don't post false stuff.".
    You've been at it long enough to know better, and yet you don't change your behavior. You still spew word salad - like in post 453.

    And because you do it deliberately and willfully, I have no obligation (or hope) to help you communicate sensibly.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I had no idea of the concern you had for my welfare. I am duly impressed...can we get back to the topic now?
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, let's.

    It went off-track at post 453, when you posted some word salad.
    Let's start at post 452 and see if we can stick to science and knowledge.
     
  23. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    can have physical feelings

    cell phone & ipad/tablet touch screen haptic feedback

    it makes a vibration effect of the surface to show you it registers your contact

    the machine recognizes contact
    thus CAN register touch feelings & then carry out specific varied of random collections of actions
    from complex process functions to lots of randomized complex or simple processes
    even learn concepts of experiential behaviors then add to randomized set of response dependent on combination sequence interactive data
    this might be
    times
    dates
    physical contact
    specific pre programmed profiles
    weather conditions
    global news media conditions
    etc etc etc


    thus "physical"

    those stock market trading programs were some of the 1st publicized
     

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