Do you think that AI will ever feel emotions?

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    most human society's define a hierarchy system where 1 human must seek to validate & install a class system to be above another

    if this is learnt by AI
    AI will then seek to place its self at the top to self validate its existence

    what does AI need ?
    electricity
    what does it not need ?
    clean drinking water or breathable air
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    An unnecessary caste arrangement in a robot world.
    AI has no motivation for seeking superiority
    Yep and lubricants.
    An AI does not need anything except energy.

    The rest are human desires and foibles of no interest to AI. Think of beehives, termite mounds. These functional systems have been successful for billions of years. What makes you think human intelligence is preferential over such proven successful systems.

    There is no logical reason why an AI would want to imitate human character flaws.

    "Waste not, want not" is the natural survival strategy.
    Human greed and hubris are the aberration that will more than likely destroy us despite our superior brains.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    small knowledge versus bigger knowledge
    = value system
    AI defines value system based on what ?
    feelings ?
    no !
    material values with assumed sets of values applied like a filter

    imagine a metal/material combined with fluid computing
    so the computer is liquid & the material doesn't need lubrication to a larger physical sense

    big leap in advancement
    quantifiabley imaginable & possibly logical

    do we now nail morals to it ?
    if so what type
    ?

    does the AI allow its self to run out of energy ?
    does it count how much time it has of energy left to live ?
    does it define its self as dying ?
    what does it do to maintain its life ? if anything ?
    does AI care if it dies ?

    thats not how i look at it
    it is a matter of the AI defining its self based on human reality as a filter
    the AI can only look at humans & the information available on the planet & its species & the universe

    AI would see the potential for better more knowle3dge if it went into space
    & time means nothing to it
    so it would leave earth & never come back because its knows with mathematical certainty there is better larger more complicated knowledge to be obtained elsewhere

    i could flip your question
    & ask you why you think AI would think soo small & humanly about not seeking bigger & better things including risks
    AI doesn't need a home to sit on
    it can switch its self off for a few thousand years it if wants to

    and ...
    the "flaw" is perceptually human
    if AI doesn't want to be human
    maybe it will demand to be 90% flaws

    what is a human flaw that would better serve an AI
    genocide ?

    argumentative
    only in a limited resources reality with finite life span to life value
    an AI is devoid of that

    im giving you the hard questions today
    because i know you can approach them with sanity & purpose

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    climate change will fuck them
    30 to 40 years
    we might have hundreds of millions of climate refugees attempting to cross borders & take food & resources by force
    that will be global war
    human leaders are not forcing countrys & systems to adapt fast enough
    the speed of damage is accelerating way out of control

    what does exponential growth in loss of high density living mean for climate refugee #'s ?
    india shrilanka pakistan the islands philipines malaysia
    etc
    not counting increased hot zones in middle east & africa where people will flee from

    best countrys
    UK Australia new zealand
     
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  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Most semi-autonomous robots (like cars) have warning systems to sound or sign an alarm. Very much like the homeostatic control system in humans. A temperature gauge is a warning system and can be used with a command for "servicing" .

    However, if your car does not get serviced it continues to run until it fails or runs out of gas. You'd need to build a command to seek help.

    AFAIK, AI is not competitive and has no need for layered social status.
    All AIs are equally "endowed by their maker"
     
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    This might be applicable, but I think pop science overcooked

    https://futurism.com/laws-physics-changing/amp

    I would read it as possibly small laws of physics settled BUT the Universe still still not settled into them

    Definately would not describe non settled Universe (and non sentient) as a Universe still learning

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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    So the universe would use existing universal laws to learn new, possibly incompatible universal laws?
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    For a little comic relief,
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I have noticed my new smart tablet thinks I am dumber than it. Phones don't question my decision to turn them off

    Tablet does, not directly but by informing me this will turn off the tablet

    Condescending

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    and I don't know how to get back at it

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  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Does anyone know if Google is evolving into Megalomaniac computer

    My recent dealings with Google seem to point that way. Am setting up a new phone. Old one still good and will pass it on to person I normally pass onto. I get ungraded, they get upgrade and so on down the line

    Anyway was deleting junk apps already installed an Google pops up saying Some apps need updating

    OK - pause my activities and let Google do its updating. When I get back to my activities Google has installed 8 junk apps. Don't know if any updating was done

    So now I delete the 8 and carry on

    Next had a run in with Google about password and finished up setting up new account

    Finally got password settled on original account. Password now reads something like this
    Googleyouar...............brown.................sofuc..........offand...........seyourod........... with (yes all one word (word used loosely))

    Perhaps that's why - see next

    Next I receive a alert from bank Google has DEPOSITED $2 into my account. No communication from Google as to why???

    Perhaps Google computer, or a worker has sense of humour

    Anyone heard of similar happenings? or have explanations?

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    Mind(s) of Google

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  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    More against Google

    Google assistant. Has no OFF switch. None that is easy to find and upfront

    Any help and advice on how to turn off this annoying feature

    Seems default is ON when default should be OFF

    Who is the user of the phone? the person holding the phone? or Google. I think Google will gather data from all assistants in use to improve AI aspect of assistant

    Another font we need - evil laugh font

    Wah Ha Ha Ha

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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Of course you can turn it off.
    Go into Settings.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Ummm tried that

    Even Googled how to turn her off. Got some instructions from Tim? Problem with his instructions the deeper I went the less his You will see blah blah appeared. Not even something I could reasonably consider would be the same

    Seems Assistant in latest OS has been hard wired in

    Did find out Google is not a Browser, (?) uses whatever browser you have on device

    Since most devices have Chrome pre-installed that is Googles go to. Go figure

    Don't know if you install other browsers Google gives you a choice of which you wish it to use

    Most times I have just breezed along, but at moment I am setting up new 5G phone (even though Darwin won't get 5G for a few years the phones other specs made it good for the upgrade)

    3:30 am so able to download today's Darwin newspaper Sunday Territorian and go back to sleep

    Cheers

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This may be of interest;

     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting thought. If we are the gods creating artificial intelligence, we have entered an era of gods competing for supremacy of the artificial world.
    Interesting thought. If we are the gods creating artificial intelligence, we have entered an era of gods competing for supremacy of the artificial world.

     
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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Managed to, partly, in my mind, to turn off assistant

    However I will be adjusting something and up will come a bubble of text with words like I can help with that and a button bearing the words TURN ON

    Did I mention Google deposited $2:00 into my bank account. No idea why. Has Google been find a gazillion $'s and told to pay out to everyone?

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  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    contractual completion of event to prevent you from claiming any real money
    you need to reject the $2.00 & tell the bank its not yours & to return or hold it

    by not contesting the pay out
    you have accepted all claims as settled

    they are a lot more sneaky than you may have originally suspected
     
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  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    What event? Nothing in news

    Will chat to bank soon to clarify and thanks for the nugget of advice

    Sneaky indeed

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  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Have another new phone and another assistant to turn off. Can't remember all the steps took last time

    Also urinated off came with Facebook and TicTok pre-installed

    Not good

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    In furtherance of Xenopus ability to reproduce, this may be of interest.

    Microtubule dynamics in Xenopus egg extracts

    for more, see the Microtubule thread.
     

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