Does Chaos Theory prove a Mathematically Ordered Universe

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Write4U, Aug 7, 2020.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I don't disagree with Michael on that point. I disagree that there is only stuff. I can visualize an abstract guiding equation that causes self-assembly of stuff.
    , I do, all the time....

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    Check out Peano Axioms
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms
     
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  3. river

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    Based on " Stuff " . Not mathematics in and of its self .
     
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  5. river

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    0 is not a natural number . What exists in 0 ? What physically exists in 0 ?
     
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  7. river

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    True

    True ​


    Physical Dynamics of Physical Stuff

    Chemistry
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Bullshit.
    https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/0_(number)
    0 (zero) is both a number and a numerical digit used to represent that number in numerals. As a number, zero means nothing—an absence of other values. It plays a central role in mathematics as the identity element of the integers, real numbers, and many other algebraic structures. As a digit, zero is used as a placeholder in place value systems. Historically, it was the last digit to come into use. In the English language, zero may also be called nil when a number, o/oh when a numeral, and nought/naught in either context.

    0 as a number
    0 is the integer that precedes the positive 1, and follows −1. In most (if not all) numerical systems, 0 was identified before the idea of 'negative integers' was accepted.

    Zero is an integer which quantifies a count or an amount of null size; that is, if the number of your brothers is zero, that means the same thing as having no brothers, and if something has a weight of zero, it has no weight. If the difference between the number of pieces in two piles is zero, it means the two piles have an equal number of pieces. Before counting starts, the result can be assumed to be zero; that is the number of items counted before you count the first item and counting the first item brings the result to one. And if there are no items to be counted, zero remains the final result.

    While mathematicians all accept zero as a number, some non-mathematicians would say that zero is not a number, arguing one cannot have zero of something. Others hold that if you have a bank balance of zero, you have a specific quantity of money in your account, namely none. It is that latter view which is accepted by mathematicians and most others.

    Almost all historians omit the year zero from the proleptic Gregorian and Julian calendars, but astronomers include it in these same calendars. However, the phrase Year Zero may be used to describe any event considered so significant that it virtually starts a new time reckoning.

    0 as a numeral
    The modern numeral 0 is normally written as a circle or (rounded) rectangle. In old-style fonts with text figures, 0 is usually the same height as a lowercase On the seven-segment displays of calculators, watches, etc., 0 is usually written with six line segments, though on some historical calculator models it was written with four line segments. This variant glyph has not caught on.

    It is important to distinguish the number zero (as in the "zero brothers" example above) from the numeral or digit zero, used in numeral systems using positional notation. Successive positions of digits have higher values, so the digit zero is used to skip a position and give appropriate value to the preceding and following digits. A zero digit is not always necessary in a positional number system: bijective numeration provides a possible counterexample.
     
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    Yet it does not mean that what is being measured is non-existent .
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Physically , 1+1=2 . Obviously . No convoluted equation necessary .
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    As I have said many times before, mathematics is the language of physics. Without mathematics, we would be clueless as to how the universe operates, and the understanding of how sub atomic particles go about forming and interacting as we observe. It's essential benefits cannot be over-stated. I'm certainly not into all Write4U says and claims, nor the stuff from Max Tegmark he quotes, but irrespective, it is a essential requirement for cosmology and knowledge in general. After all the arguably greatest scientific paper written, by arguably the greatest scientist ever, was entitled "Principia Mathematica"
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, those axioms are mentioned in one of the links I gave re the proof that 1+1=2
     
  15. river

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    We wouldn't be clueless pad , without mathematics , observations , experiments ; we see the dynamics and the consequences thereof . Mathematics is important , but mathematics has nothing to do with the Nature of the Universe its self .
     
  16. river

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    Lets that what these axioms say are true .

    In the Physical Universe 1+1=2 , needs no axioms . 1+1=2 is a Fundamental Truth .
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Don't be so clueless river. Without the maths, we wouldn't be able to predict the rising and setting of the Sun...the period of Earth's evolution about the Sun...the period of the Moon's revolution about its axis and orbit around Earth...we wouldn't even have calendars to check dates etc.
    Just because you are absolutely clueless re maths, along with most other practical applications of science, does not follow that it is not essential. It is, and always will be. You denying that, is why you stay so ignorant.
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And a mathematical truth that can be proven. Stop stating the obvious...
     
  19. river

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    I was hopping that you actually understood what I was saying ; it went over your head .
     
  20. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    It's hoping river, not hopping, and essentially as this forum knows, and which is evident in you being banned from the sciences, not much of what you ever claim, can ever be construed as anything other then unsupported mythical nonsense.
     
  21. river

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    What I'm saying went over your head .

    The ban didn't stop me from continuing my thinking .
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    What you say is wrong, as is most of what you say and stupidly claim.
    The many ridiculous unsupported, unscientific claims you make [without any reference or link when needed or asked] is actually evidence towards you failing to think at all. As is evident in your banning.
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Now go buzz off river, I'm not getting into one of your trolling exercises.
     

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