# Does Chaos Theory prove a Mathematically Ordered Universe

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Write4U, Aug 7, 2020.

1. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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That is the pertinent question.
IMO, everything that can be measured and translated into a symbolic representation is of "logical necessity" a mathematical construct.
It is what allows us to posit universal constants, the laws that govern the dynamical evolution of universally pervasive patterns such as; fractals, functions, equations, exponential functions, symmetry/symmetry breaking, invariants; [/quote]
Invariant (mathematics)

A wallpaper is invariant under an infinite number of translations, members of a group, of which the operation denoted by (o) is the function composition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invariant_(mathematics)

Symmetry in mathematics

The root system of the exceptional Lie group E8. Lie groups have many symmetries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry_in_mathematics

The exponential function
Overview of the exponential function

https://mathinsight.org/exponential_function

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3. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Equation
What is an equation?
https://www.splashlearn.com/math-vocabulary/number-sense/equation#

Function

Schematic depiction of a function described metaphorically as a "machine" or "black box" that for each input yields a corresponding output
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_(mathematics)

Fractal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal

And self-similarity also refers to self-referential and ultimately to self-awareness.

These are some of the universal constants which are not based on any physical consideration but on the abstract logic of how things work and are pervasive throughout the universe

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5. ### exchemistValued Senior Member

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ZZZzzzz..........

7. ### river

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The Physical depth of shape . Fundamentally , Three dimensions . Depth , Breadth , and length .

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8. ### BeaconatorValued Senior Member

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Pure energy could not be confined within a galaxy. Absolute zero is only available outside the universe and no where near black holes supermassive or not. So ...

9. ### BeaconatorValued Senior Member

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You forgot time, which includes “entropy”

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10. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Chaos Theory and Consciousness
POSTED AUGUST 1, 2020 ARPAN DEY

Abstract
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https://ysjournal.com/chaos-theory-and-consciousness/#

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12. ### river

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Consciousness is Based on Life .

13. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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That's debatable.

https://ysjournal.com/chaos-theory-and-consciousness/#

Seems to me that this is what Tegmark proposes. Consciousness is not exclusively biological, but may also emerge from mathematical data processing patterns, i.e. AI consciousness.

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but not Real Life . As in Biological Life .

15. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Show me the difference. It's all made from the same stuff, just arranged in different patterns.
It's the patterns that acquire emergent properties. I have heard that only biological patterns can be alive, but I have never heard that only biological patterns can be conscious. Are you sure? Can you explain?

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Life comes from Nature , from the Cosmos .

AI can not exist on its own . It needs a being to build it . Life does not .

17. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Really?
Is a virus alive? It also cannot exist on its own, but it can use a living organism to build copies of itself. Variegated tulips are artificially made by viruses.

Variegated Tulips: Beauty From a Virus
Viruses using aphids to do the heavy lifting!

Section 6.3Viruses: Structure, Function, and Uses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21523/#

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18. ### river

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So viruses do not come from Nature ? They do of course . So what's your point Write4U ?

19. ### exchemistValued Senior Member

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"Pure energy" is for Star Trekkies.

It is not science.

20. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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Variegated tulips do not come from nature. They are artificially created by viruses, clever little artists manipulating the tulip genes to make some of the most beautiful art.
Robots are artificially created by humans, clever mammals making tools to do all their work for them.

21. ### river

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Viruses do .

Tools agreed . Lets hope that these tools are nothing more than tools .

22. ### Write4UValued Senior Member

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What is the distinction? Energy is "ability to do work" regardless of instrument used.
A star has ability to do use nuclear reactions (work) to create energy and other works of Art.
Natura Artis Magistra (nature is the teacher of art and science)

Natura artis magistra
Linguistics in the Netherlands 2001, 159–166. issn 0929–7332 © 2001 John Benjamins Publishing Company Ancient rhetoricians, grammarians and philosophers on natural word order* C.C. de Jonge Leiden University

1. Introduction
https://www.jbe-platform.com/docserver/fulltext/avt.18.17jon.pdf

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