Does Chaos Theory prove a Mathematically Ordered Universe

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  1. river

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    Energy is also about the speed of a physical object and size . Such as the Asteroid or Comet that hit the Earth about 65 too 66 millions yrs ago . 5 miles in diameter at tens of thousands of miles per hour . And wiped out Life forms on a huge scale . It wiped out the Dinosausrs .

    The KPg mass extinction .
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    There is no difference how something is made. It is all an extension of natural processes, regardless of the method used.
    All creation is based on fundamental mathematical processes. Order from Chaos, Humans from Order, Robots from Humans.

    Perhaps end of Humans from Robots. In the end it is "Natural Selection" that determines continued existence of all things................

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  5. river

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    Wrong .

    Nature does what it does because of the Nature of energy and matter .

    AI is built from the existence of a being able to do so . AI can not begin on its own .
     
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    Yes, via natural selection, not motivated action.
    In the history of the universe, when did we begin and was it on our own, or from motivated action by a third party, or by natural selection?
     
  8. river

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    Define the two .
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Are you implying that natural selection is a motivated action? AFAIK, natural selection is a stochastic action.

    We do build robots, Nature built us and ants.

    Do ants have feelings?
    By Susan Blackmore

    Ants brains are smaller and simpler than our own, but the collective hive mind of the colony could have feelings.
    https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/do-ants-have-feelings/

    Ants are nature's Borg and one of the earliest natural organisms capable of many human activities.
     
  10. river

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    Define the two .

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    No

    Nature builds us , not a being .
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right, but we are machines just like ants and eventually as robots, once we are done tinkering and nature keeps eliminating bad models.
     
  12. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Bullshyt. Our calculation of the Higgs boson confirms “this”
     
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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is an incorrectly edited quote . This is what I said:
    Just copy and paste to get it right. Else it may lose content in translation......

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  15. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Oops sorry but intent may be the largest question
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well that presents a teleological problem.
    To me intent means "motive" , a conscious desire, which suggests a form of consciousness.

    But I prefer to think of it as a result of the law of "necessity" and "sufficiency"

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    Necessity and sufficiency
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency#

    When sufficient resources are available, it may become necessary that a causal event manifests. This does not require intentional motivation.

    Example: when sufficient amounts of H and O are present in sufficient density at sufficient temperature it becomes necessary that ice or water or vapor emerges from the appropriate combinations. And in the case of water, an additional necessary liquid quality of "wetness" emerges with the self-formation of water.

    Self-formation does not require intent, it is a spontaneous mathematical function. IMO
     
  17. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Does that mean I make you wet?
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, intent means one likes camping......

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    p.s. do you like bacon?
     
  19. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Not particularly. I do like capicola

    did you know pigs when let out into nature will grow tusks and more hair than in captivity?
     
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  20. river

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    To your last statement .

    What is this mathematical function based ? To have a function implies movement of something into a certain position . Correct me If I'm wrong .
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    First, everything in the universe has movement in accordance with mathematically ordering guiding equations.

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    Schematic depiction of a function described metaphorically as a "machine" or "black box" that for each input yields a corresponding output

    AFAIK a "function" is a specific way processing of data in a specific way. When specific data is processed in a reliable specific way, we may say it is a mathematical function.

    Function (mathematics)

    domain and codomain
    Classes/properties

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_(mathematics)
     
  22. river

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    From Write4U , post # 458 ; right from the top .

    Nonsense .
     
  23. river

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    Disagree

    Changing the mathematics of these equations does not change the physical dynamics directly .
     

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