Does Chaos Theory prove a Mathematically Ordered Universe

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    But I am not saying that....I am saying that the physical is ordered by mathematical imperatives.

    Physical matter is basically "dense mathematical patterns" of values arranged into various observable and measurable shapes.
     
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    You did , at one time , the Higgs Boson .

    Why are there " mathematical imperatives " ? Define " mathematical imperatives " .
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Just stumbled across this thread before logging in. Seven pages, and yet only 8 posts visible to me, of which yours is of course one, thanks to the Ignore filter.

    Seems to be mainly a dialogue between Write4U and river.

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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I don't recall but river is on my ignore list.
     
  8. river

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    Disagree

    Entropy and Order is the Nature of the Universe .
     
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  11. river

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    If you take away the Real Physical objects , Galaxies , Quasars , Stars , Planets , Moons , Life ; what then does Mathematics base any Mathematics on ?
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, you misunderstood the function of the mathematics in "teasing" the Higgs boson out from the Higgs field. The maths didn't create the boson, introduction of precise mathematical control of the LHC allowed the Higgs to become manifest from the field (for a single instant). The Higgs boson cannot exist independently.
    It is inconceivable that what we see as our universe is the result of a persistent chaotic state of existence.

    At the very least it can be expected that Nature demands a form of Logic in order to function at all. After all, we do have a "hard fact" that there is order in the universe. All that remains is to figure out what language is suitable as an inherent "guiding equation" of extant relational values and logical operants, i.e. agebraic functions.

    Mathematics is a definable language of Logic. IOW, It has practical value.

    Mathematical logic
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_logic#
     
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  13. river

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    A field that is Physical , Write4U .
     
  14. river

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    Write4U your logic based on Mathematics , has not created a single thing . In and of it's self . Because it can't .
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No it is a metaphysical quantum field.
    Quanta are not physical, they are a non-descript quantum of energy. AFAIK, particles "emerge" from an excitation of the quantum field.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Energy, applied logically (mathematically) can theoretically create everything we see.

    That's why we can figure out everything with mathematics, a universal language based on Logic.
     
  17. river

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    So your saying that Energy is not Real ? Seriously....; you think this is True .
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Energy is real, it just is not Matter. It may become Matter. Think about that......

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    So who supplies the logic to the Universe ? A God Write4U ? Just asking .
     
  20. river

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    I have in my Theory .

    My Cosmology thread , third page in this list of topics . In this General Thread .
     
  21. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Well naturally.

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    You havn't any theory river, at least no scientific theory, only some ignorant unsupported thoughts, that have absolutely no basis in reality.
     
  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Energy, very basically, is the ability to perform work

    Energy is a measurable property of any relationship between matter and / or systems which have the ability to affect (change via energy exchange) each other or systems

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    Types of energy Steamism.com

    Units of measurement depend on the type of energy being measured

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